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"The maps shouldn’t have shown that the bridge was complete."

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[–] [email protected] 188 points 3 months ago (3 children)

what if it was a paper map? would the mapping company be liable?

put the blame where it belongs; on the construction company who failed to block an unnavigable, dangerous piece of road.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah I mean it would have been good if google maps could have prevented this but like the same thing could have happened to someone without a map

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I mean, someone has to provide the information. If one day, there’s a full bridge, and the next day it’s deconstructed for repairs, Google can’t magically know; some information needs to be pushed out to be parsed and updated. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was simply done by construction co. without proper filing etc. very few nations have the extreme regulations that U.S. has - it's one of America’s redeeming qualities. Of course, that may not always be the case. But yknow.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I suppose it depends on the locale, but I'm my experience, the cities I've lived in update the gis maps and send change updates to Google very regularly, where they sit unimplemented for months.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah I can see that being a problem too. Shrug.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

I used to travel by paper map for like all of the 90s and 00s. I can reliably say, it was never the map's fault.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 3 months ago

A more accurate title is "Three men die when road crews fail to barricade a broken bridge".

[–] [email protected] 79 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  1. As soon as the bridge was deemed unsafe, it should have had barricades erected.
  2. Situational awareness supersedes maps, digital or not.
  3. Every GPS device, paper map and App out there would have had even chances to miss this.
  4. Driving in India is insane, even if the infrastructure wasn't as bad as it is... and to be clear, it's awful.
[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

Situational awareness is key, but if all other indicators suggested everything was fine and you were driving up a bridge at night, there's not much warning before the road is suddenly not there thanks to the curvature of the road. I've seen plenty of short clips of cars dropping into missing road segments due to whatever reasons, and it's just not something you look for normally while driving nor is it that easy to see from a distance vs. an obstacle on the road. It's possible they tried to stop and just couldn't in time. The vehicle would be farther away if they had just flown off and not right below the base.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Do they not put barricades in the road when it's closed in India?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago

Infrastructure and Driving in India come with substantial risks to life.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Nope. Public safety just isn't a thing in India. At least it wasn't twenty years ago when I went there. People die, everyone goes about their day, and nothing changes.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I fail to see how that's Google Maps' fault. This is the city's fault for not blocking the bridge. Would people have complained if a paper map didn't update all the collapsed bridges daily?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'd probably also somewhat blame the person that drove off the bridge that clearly goes nowhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Looks like it might have been dark and foggy. The government failed to block the extremely dangerous situation— a standard practice when a bridge is put in other places.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Seems like blame can be applied at least three ways at once.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It's from India, here either news reporters take bribe to not write it was authorities fault or can't think straight and rational.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What excuse do they have for ignoring traffic signs and literally every other indication that the road is closed?

A GPS doesn’t absolve you from personal responsibility. Use your eyes.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

They were driving in the night. Visibility was poor. The road wasn't closed off. Just to name a few.

You're probably imagining reflective signs, barricades, lights, led warning signs, etc. I know i would expect all of those.

But this is India. And we're talking about a company that didn't even block the road. There is a very good chance there were no indications visible in the night.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Given that there is death involved, this is "sensitive"... So I will not post a gif of Michael and Dwight driving into the river because the GPS told them to.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

I will not chuckle at the thought of this hypothetical meme

[–] Stalinwolf 3 points 3 months ago

Truly the show's biggest jumping of the shark.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

google maps once tried to send me through a military base. Like, yes this would technically be faster if it wasn't for the armed guards.

apple maps hasn't tried to kill me ... yet

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

There were almost monthly stories about Apple Maps leading to death and near-death experiences when they came out, not sure about now. Hopefully they got better.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I use it. It’s definitely gotten better. The traffic and business data isn’t as good as Google’s, but otherwise they’re pretty comparable these days.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Genuine question: If Apple Maps is inferior to Google Maps, why do you use it? I don't want to sound judgemental, but it seems like trading giving your info from one giant corporation to another. If I ever de-Google I'll switch to Open Street Maps...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Apple already has my location data from other apps including Find My. I’d rather give it to one megacorp instead of 2 I guess.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Totally valid. I guess anything is better than nothing, they all pretty much have our data anyway...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Want the original icon for the app a route leading off the middle of a bridge?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is an old story, hopefully they've done something about it

"Australian police call the application "potentially life threatening" after travelers are left stranded in scorching-hot temperatures"

https://theweek.com/articles/469634/4-nightmarescenarios-involving-apple-maps

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I've been sent the wrong way up one way streets (big flaw to not have the fucking direction of traffic marked so that's also on the city design) and my wife was sent through a quarry once

Fucking weird part is that the quarry route is a legit road that connects to a shopping center on the other side, so I guess that one is fine?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Guess that means the trip to the shops involves a rally stage?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

That's stone cold.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

...and that's why you don't use car navigation in airplane mode.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

If it's not in airplane mode, how do you expect the car to fly over the gap in the bridge?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Had a lady in my store yesterday insisting that we had an item because google said so

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Those people are fun the first and second time. After that you start getting a certain attitude towards them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

After working retail for more than a decade... Those people deserve it. The type of person to argue with an employee about whether they carry something or not solely because Google said so, are the quintessential Karen. They deserve every bit of unhelpfulness right back at them for the misery they sow everywhere they go.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I had to check. I'm pretty sure it's this bridge in OpenStreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15%2F28.02674%2F79.48926 And there it is also not closed off for routing

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

reminds me of the movie "idiocracy" when Joe looks out of the window at the hospital.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sure glad they circled it, I didn’t know which end was unfinished.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

lol but I am pretty sure what’s circled is the downed vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Bridges and cars are easy to confuse. Hence the red circle

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Three men die in bizarre money-laundering incident."

Judging by the pictures, that bridge was never going to connect to anything.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

The article tells you it's a repair of a wash out. So it absolutely does have a connection.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Take control of your mapping and learn to use your brain

#openstreetmap

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Darwin would like to have a word with the driver

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

"THE MACHINE KNOWS!"