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Historical Artifacts

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The Latin translates to “the word became flesh,” which is pretty damn metal to put on a sword used for decapitation.

Edit: I just noticed that the inscription reads et verbum caro facum est instead of et verbum caro factum est. Not sure if this was a mistake or abbreviation, but I think the actual inscription would read “the word burns flesh”?

I’m basically Brian from the Latin lesson scene in the Life of Brian, so if anyone has an actual grasp of Latin grammar, please correct me.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Whaaat? People called Romanes they walk the home?"
(It's been a while since I've watched it with the English original audio)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

It's from the Last Gospel, the prologue to the Gospel of John. Your translation seems to be correct, as it is also given in the article.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don’t know much about Latin but Verbum is another word for God.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah, this phrase specifically deals with the incarnation of Christ and it’s typically capitalized in English as “the Word.”

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I wondered if the prisoner's stance in the engraving was normal for a sword execution, it seemed like it would be more efficient for everyone to place your neck on a backstop like the chained log. With the backstop you wouldn't have to worry about your flopping body absorbing any of the executioner's swing energy.

So to wikipedia I went, and based on the images in that article both of the prisoners are shown either standing or kneeling rather than resting their necks on a backstop. Ouch.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Beheading_Fac_simile_of_a_Miniature_on_Wood_in_the_Cosmographie_Universelle_of_Munster_in_folio_Basle_1552.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Scharfrichterschwert-ffm002.jpg

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

The french form of beheading was to have them kneel upright during a beheading instead of putting their neck on a block.

It's how Anne Boleyn was decapitated by the swordsman from Calais.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I once saw a video of an execution in Saudi Arabia, the prisoners were just kneeling with their heads bowed a little.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

interesting how it's only meant to behead (I suppose). there's no pointy end, like a big butter knife

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

They usually were not pointy and heavier than regular swords which made it easier to chop off body parts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would it be worthwhile to run a q-tip through the engraved parts and collect DNA? Just for science?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you Rick Sanchez gathering a team for a high profile heist?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

You son of a bitch, I'm in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

congrats on graduating beheading school, son ! we bought you a cool sword as a present

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Beheading school like:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

One of my favorite stories about executioners is the French executioner Capeluche training the man who was assigned to kill HIM so he'd get it right. One clean chop - it would be terrible to have a botched execution where you linger in agony while some amateur hacks at your half-severed neck!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Terminus Est

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn. The wheel was a particular cruel method of death by torture.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AfaIk, being wheeled was usually or often part of a multiple death penalty, i.e. the delinquent was hung and probably quartered before the wheeling.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think you got your order reversed. Wheeling was, if done “skillfully” 🤢, generally not lethal. The person would have their limbs broken to be put in the wheel so they can suffer very publicly for all to see. And only then they’d be hung and quartered, with the quarters displayed at various points to serve as further “deterrent”.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Thank you. You're right. I've looked it up.

[–] SplashJackson 2 points 1 month ago

Pretty tight engraving yo