Lilo and Stitch.
Used to be "Haha, funny aliens!" to me.
this post was submitted on 28 Jan 2025
57 points (95.2% liked)
movies
2142 readers
171 users here now
Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#fediversefilms:matrix.org
Warning: If the community is empty, make sure you have "English" selected in your languages in your account settings.
A community focused on discussions on movies. Besides usual movie news, the following threads are welcome
- Discussion threads to discuss about a specific movie or show
- Weekly threads: what have you been watching lately?
- Trailers
- Posters
- Retrospectives
- Should I watch?
Related communities:
Show communities:
Discussion communities:
RULES
Spoilers are strictly forbidden in post titles.
Posts soliciting spoilers (endings, plot elements, twists, etc.) should contain [spoilers] in their title. Comments in these posts do not need to be hidden in spoiler MarkDown if they pertain to the titleβs subject matter.
Otherwise, spoilers but must be contained in MarkDown.
2024 discussion threads
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
El Dorado. Couple dudes find the city of gold and get mistaken for their main deities, which quickly puts them in conflict with the local religious leader who up until that point and even for a few days after had been terrorizing his people with human sacrifices in their name, stoking and leveraging that fear to maintain authority over the city as the "speaker for the gods". The two "gods" are liars and crooks, and like the religious leader are also using their newfound religious authority for personal gain, but they don't want to hurt anybody, and Miguel in particular had really fallen in love with the city and it's people and culture. That puts the "gods" in a really interesting moral dilemma where they needed to choose between rebuking the zealous religious leader who keeps trying to perform human sacrifices and rule in their name, and "lying low" for the best chance of getting out of the city alive themselves with a shit-ton of gold. They go with the former, and the people are stoked to see the religious leader they feared knocked down a peg by his own gods, including the chill, secular-coded chief (who is aware that the "gods" are full of shit, but likes them anyway). Of course that's not the end of the movie, but there's a whole lot of interesting commentary on the relationship between religion, terror, and authority that I didn't really catch until I was in my late teens.
Really good choice. There is also the interesting fact that nature does bend for them and the whirlpool for donations actually spits the religious zealot leader out a side path as if rejected by his own gods for using their name and power for control instead of to protect the citizens which is the point of the hidden city in the first place.
There is a lot of complex relationships in that movie that are more incredible to witness when you can look at them them through a more lived lens.
I feel like there are movies where you just get more of it when older but I'm trying to think of a movie that when viewed through a lense of an adult instead of a kid makes it a sadder story.
A Goofy Movie.
Top of the list. You have 2 main characters to follow and it's absolutely different based on your age.
Also Breakfast club.
You have 2 main characters to follow and itβs absolutely different based on your age.
Very similar experience with Cars 3. Children identify with the new up-and-comer race car while grownups identify with a Lightning McQueen who must accept his glory days are past and embrace the next generation.
Shoutout for the race announcer who drops a microcosm of the whole film in a single line:
McQueenβs fading! Fading fast!
This is the movie after the one where Mater becomes an international spy that pisses on a stage in public?
Man the writing for those movies really skip a generation cause the first one was good too about respecting your time and place in history but adapting it to not just be forgotten and using the lessons learned to better those that follow.
Not a rewatch, but I recently watched Frozen (2013). I'd heard the songs already (who hasn't?), but knew nothing of the plot. Boy, the themes of depression, anxiety, and PTSD were a lot more intense than I was expecting from a family-friendly Disney animated film.
Spoiler
After the accident, the trolls tell Elsa that "fear will be her enemy"... and then they scare her to the point that she withdraws from society and even her own family for over a decade out of fear of hurting them. The trolls also wipe Anna's memory, so she has no idea why Elsa is suddenly ignoring her. It's actually quite miraculous that the sisters turned out as well-adjusted as they did.
Haha I think about the well-adjusted part all the time. Definitely hand-waviness on the part of Disney for that one!
Definitely hand-waviness on the part of Disney for that one!
Spoiler
Well, the queen does go AWOL mere hours after her coronation, and the next-in-line almost marries away the kingdom, so... they weren't entirely well-adjusted :)
Starship troopers.
I saw it when it came out. I was young and the action was awesome.
Watching at an adult... The fascist themes are so obvious, I wonder how young me missed them.
Whats even more amazing is that adults today are still missing the obvious.
Itβs satire
to be fair starship troopers is overrated as fuck.
it just looks like a straight up fascist film with a thin veneer of irony, instead of satire
Hook. In a way it still holds up, but today Ruffios death hits differently. I used to see him as the school bully who got mine of redeemed by sacrifice.
Now I just see a uncertain orphan, who does his best to lead a group and who is killed rather needlessly (and who is then kind of forgotten about soon after)
Also there's a bit of lost innocence of my own faced with adulting life and the diminishing possibilities of fantasy.
Damn. I gotta rewatch Hook now. Havenβt seen it since I was probably a pre-teen, but I saw it so many times on VHS that I believe Iβll remember most of it. I definitely want to experience it again framed as an adult.
todos
Today?
Ah, yes. Corrected the autocorrect
The Dark Crystal is basically a Henson muppet movie about genocide.
cars 2. the entire plot revolves around a genetically inferior underclass working in the shadows to kill off the "normals" using additives in the food they eat, capturing and torturing people just to test their poisons.
The lion king.
Idk i think that scene still fucked kid me up a little lol
No it's the whole movie.
It is the story of an oppressed people, in their desperation they follow a con artist who is only out for himself.
Their uprising and short lived victory, is marked by incompetence and grift.
After being in power for a while, the old regime returns. They kill the leader and ruthlessly crush the now demoralised people.
In the end the old monarchy rules again, the oppressed people are scattered, this culture and way of life vilified, even moreso than in the past.
I think I felt all that when I saw it at 8 or 9 years old, even if I couldn't articulate it.
Willy Wonka. Not too hard to see as a kid, but it was funny too so that masked some of it. Plus the latest theories that try to connect it to Snowpiercer. Granted the latter was likely designed around that idea and it doesn't come from the first, but if you accept them as connected, that's a dark world.
And of course Wizard of Oz. As a kid I saw it one way, read some of the Ozma books and they weren't too weird. But then I read the real Oz books, and that's dark.
Willy Wonka ... Plus the latest theories that try to connect it to Snowpiercer
Wat?
There's plenty of Youtube videos on it, no need for me to try and rehash what's been done better by others.
Willy Wonka
Gene Wilder, Johnny Depp, or TimothΓ©e Chalamet?
Gene. I haven't seen the other two, although I've heard negatives. Is there something that either of them (actors or movie) bring to the character?
Overall, I think I preferred the 2005 version to the 1971 version. The sets and music are better, and it is more faithful to the book. In terms of Willy Wonka, I wasn't satisfied with either portrayal of the character. Gene Wilder played him too vindictive and angry, while Johnny Depp was too cold and reserved.
It's a difficult story to translate from book to screen. A lot of the elements which are whimsical in the book can easily come off as creepy on screen. I have not seen the 2023 film with Chalamet.
That nineties film about a prostitute sucking dick in the harbour. She has the biggest sexiest mouth. Then some rich guy has car trouble and she helps him but like weasles herself into him giving her lots of money in the form of expensive gifts and even proposing to her.
The name is like Sexy Girl or something and people said it was like soo romantic and it was a big hit back then. Pretty woman.
Care to elaborate on Mrs Doubtfire? Not sure I've ever watched it as an adult, and don't recall it being dark.
Not OP and I think they are a bit wrong to call it being dark but it is shockingly more grounded an ending than the slapstick would imply the ending would be.
Tap for spoiler
Williams character gets caught pretending to be an old British hip hop granny, and the judge at the divorce custody hearings is rightfully disgusted at the idea of it and grants full custody to the mother and requests a psych eval.
However, the mother realizes that her kids need the more fun aspects of their father in their life and William's character realizes that he needs to be more careful with what he does, as he is expected to be a role model even if it is ok to be silly.
It ends on the note that neither the mother or father were right for each and being back together is not possible with their different lives but that they are connected by a shared love of their children and being together and honest with what they can and can't do for each other will make them all better. And they share custody every day after school.
Thanks!
Also the way Robin Williams treats the man his ex is dating
I think he expected it to be just more slapstick, allergy included, and then suddenly the move grinds back to reality. But I guess an allergy that kills a person is pretty dark. It's definitely a sudden turn from the comedy movie Robin William's character treats it like until it isn't.
The Wind in the Willows (the live action pseudo monty python version)
The Sixth Day, one of Arnold Schwarzenegger's please-take-me-seriously projects, is possibly the wrongest it is possible to be about whether clones are people. Still a fun movie. Just ass-backwards in its motivation. I'm not sure how much of its moral grey area was intended by the script or the direction. The anti-clone "good guys" are pretty terrorist-coded. Arnie's just caught up in the middle of their guerrilla fight against a generic corporate bad guy. Who solved death. How terrible.
1990s Christian moral panic against cloning was fucking weird.