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Hours before Tulsi Gabbard appeared for a combative hearing on her nomination as director of national intelligence on Thursday, NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden gave some public advice to the woman who once pushed for his pardon.

“Tulsi Gabbard will be required to disown all prior support for whistleblowers as a condition of confirmation today. I encourage her to do so. Tell them I harmed national security and the sweet, soft feelings of staff. In D.C., that’s what passes for the pledge of allegiance,” Snowden said on X.

Even after facing more than a dozen questions about Snowden, however, Gabbard refused to back down.

Instead, Gabbard told the Senate Intelligence Committee that Snowden broke the law and that she would no longer push for his pardon — but that he had revealed blatant violations of the Constitution.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Listening to her is incredibly frustrating. I don’t see Snowden as a traitor but this bitch is one of the last people that should be trusted with intelligence

[–] [email protected] 46 points 13 hours ago

Edward Snowden sitting in Russia thinking "Damn it, if I had just kept those documents in my bathroom, I could be President right now!"

[–] [email protected] 82 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

That's her only decent opinion and THAT is what's going to tank her nomination???

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's a bad look when the director of national intelligence supports someone who leaks intelligence secrets to enemy nations. It's a good reason to pass on her aside from all of her personal issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

He leaked information to the citizens of the country doing the spying.

It's interesting you describe them as enemies

[–] [email protected] 26 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It's opposite decade in the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I find it hilarious that the 3 letter agencies are handing over big brother to the gustapo, without protest, while acting like they're the goodies... as though they aren't literally doing the exact thing Snowden warned everyone about — as a tool that will be turned against the people by domestic enemies.

And the best part? It only took 12 years post-leak for the worst case scenario to occur — for them to hand the keys to the entire kingdom over to fascism.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago

There's a lot of common sense, popular opinions that you can't have in Washington because there's a bipartisan consensus to do the opposite.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Damn, this is a hard one. Gabbard is right to defend him but likely for deeply shitty motivations.

At the end of the day this is probably going to make it much more difficult to discuss why whistle-blowers deserve protection with my liberal family.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This is a stopped clock situation.

She’s not wrong to defend him. But she would be a catastrophically awful pick for this position.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago

Stopped digital clocks just display 88 all the time.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Even after facing more than a dozen questions about Snowden, however, Gabbard refused to back down. Instead, Gabbard told the Senate Intelligence Committee that Snowden broke the law and that she would no longer push for his pardon

Is that not backing down?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I can try making a cake, if I stop trying before I manage to make one, it doesn't mean I will complain if my girlfriend decides to make one instead of me!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's not even that, it's someone told you to make a cake, so you talk about how you don't make cakes, your against making a cake, but you could make a cake if someone really needs you to.

And if your girlfriend does then make a cake, you just start taking credit.

Actions are louder than words.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

She pushed for his pardon

She now says she won't do it anymore, that she agrees he broke the law (need to have broken the law to get a pardon) BUT that she still believes what he did was right, implying that he deserves a pardon, she just won't be the one trying to make it happen anymore.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago

When the worst people make the right decision for the wrong reasons

[–] [email protected] 13 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Isn't American law supposed to protect whistleblowers? I mean we all know it doesn't but at least in public speaking defending whistleblowers should be considered a good thing no?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

No it only pretends to. Because whistleblowers have to leak sensitive information to blow the whistle, the US goes after them for treachery.

These days whistleblowing against America or big companies leads to suicide with a bullet to the back of the head.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 15 hours ago

It doesn't though - and that's had an obvious chilling effect on whistle-blowers.

One of the key issues is that most politicians will express support for whistle-blowing in the abstract or when exposing flaws of opposing administrations. But the administration that is likely to be damaged by whistle-blowing is the one vested with the responsibility to protect it... and that abstract support evaporates pretty fucking quickly if it's damaging your image.

Unless my memory is faulty the modern attacks on whistle-blowing mostly date back to Obama's administration. During W Bush we had the Abu Ghraib torture revelations and the whistle-blower in that case ended up receiving high praise even while causing significant damage to both W Bush and Rumsfeld.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Sometimes I wonder if Snowden is given a script to post when needed or if the FSB just controls his social media. We'll find out everything one day because he's undoubtedly under constant surveillance.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago

I’d wager there’s no way his staying in Russia doesn’t come with many strings attached. He’s only useful to them in these kinds of situations saying these kinds of things.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago

I mean to be fair I'd be salty too if I were him.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Something left of some principles in there?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 15 hours ago

No. She's a Russian asset, and Russia purchased Snowden's compliance with safe harbor. Everything else is theatre as far as she is concerned.

The thing about wedge issues and propaganda is that they're wedge issues for a reason, that there is something fundamentally wrong with the society that makes it divisive in the first place, as some advocate for change and others resent it.