Hey cow boy. Progressives are generally more educated and aware, so yes. Meanwhile, most conservatives don’t understand the difference between, for example, asylum and undocumented border crossings; or that “encounters” doesn’t mean “entries”; or that coming on a vacation visa from South Africa or eastern Europe and starting a business or doing modeling work is illegal.
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Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration. You're just trying a hail Mary when you got caught.
And we're aware that's violating your visa is illegal, it's no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings.
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They're here legally. It was a fuck up. When you have 7.2 million illegals to deport, there's going to be fuck ups just due to the sheer amount of assholes.
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Reactionaries don't care about other people.
Even their family; they're notorious for disowning their children for being someone different than they wanted. They treat their wives like slaves.
He's fine with it, because it doesn't affect him. There's no more thought to it than that. It's an inherently anti-social ideology.
Illegally immigrating and then seeking asylum afterwards is still illegal immigration
Asylum is legally considered part of the removal process for illegal immigrants. Assuming this occurs before they're caught, why would you kick them out when they're following the process?
that's violating your visa is illegal, it's no where near as prevalent as illegal border crossings
https://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/
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If they arrived at elis island they immigrated here legally.
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I have enjoyed being a "numbered sheep" thanks for asking. I have a nice house, cars & wonderful family, I'm living the American dream. Hopefully you can find enjoyment from life too.
So Europe bad? That's kind of racist.
Native Americans? Tell me, what happened to them when millions of immigrants came?
Yes, though I wouldn't necessarily say that that's only a problem with progressives.
Immigration policy and procedures are relatively complex and the current "debate" on the topic is not very focused on enabling or supporting legal immigration (especially from conservatives).
What an excellent question. I think most of them view it as a distinction without a difference, they don't care at all if an migrant is legal or illegal. I think they also are subscribing to the slippery slope fallacy, assuming that those who want to deport illegals also want to have citizens deported from the country.
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As the article you shared states:
Despite possessing Certificates of Indian Blood (CIBs) and state-issued IDs, several individuals have been detained or questioned by ICE agents who do not recognize these documents as valid proof of citizenship.
I am inclined to agree with the post and what the Navajo Nation Council is asking for:
Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley emphasized the immediate need for the Executive Branch to issue protocols for tribal members living off-reservation.
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I disagree here somewhat. Now, maybe you know more about the background of ICE and how it's been utilized in the past, admittedly I am not. But from the outside looking in, I can't imagine a reason why ICE would have gone into reservations looking for Native Americans. If ICE usually isn't sicced on Native Americans, it would make sense that they don't have a process for validating the citizenhood of these Americans (although that certainly is quite an oversight).
As far as what documentation ICE looks for, isn't that the stuff on this list:
https://www.uscis.gov/save/current-user-agencies/commonly-used-immigration-documents
Not a conservative myself but it is funny that a post like this is downvoted on a conservative forum. Lemmy is swamped with lefties 😁 Reddit ²
It's worse than reddit. The devs themselves are unironically communists. I'm not joking or exaggerating, they actually called themselves communists. https://lemmy.ml/post/55143
I like the software and the libertarian bent, but my god the politics here are trash and very one-note outside of this sub.
Wow - that is pretty extreme. That doesn't totally surprise me though - FOSS is also very leftwing and it seems to apply to most of the tech communities. Not sure why - maybe they see the whole world as a huge algorithm and that inequality is a bug that can and must be fixed (top down approach). Unfortunately the world isn't predictable and human nature isn't compatible with communism and only societies that thrive due to capitalism can absorb some socialism. I don't know any poor society that used socialism to get itself out of poverty. It is always capitalism that does the trick.
FOSS has a lot of leftwing advocates because it distributes the means of (software) production. The initial idea was inspired by Communism. Lemmy has a lot of FOSS people in the tech communities so you see the spillover there. You're possibly more used to seeing the Silicon Valley type of tech people who are right wing if not anarchnocapitalists.
I've been a GNU/Linux user for decades. I know RMS but I don't think he is or ever was a communist. He isn't against capitalism and is fine with people making money of free software. He stepped out of FOSS and I haven't followed what's currently going on though. Most tech I find interesting is decentralized, private and open source. You might be right that on the closed software side they are more right wing.
Lemmy is nice. Software itself doesn't have a political view and it doesn't seem to care who is using it 😊
The initial idea was because companies distributed the source code along with the machine code because machine code didn't work across diverse machines. People would modify the source code to add features and send it back to the original company who would then add it in.
It was a capitalist thing, it was all voluntary. Communism is all about forcing people.
Unless you think IBM is communist.
I see your confusion, I just said FOSS and I should have said FOSS movement to be more clear. Double-checking myself shows that the FOSS orgs tend to be apolitical, so I should have instead said compatible with communist views.
You state that communism is all about forcing people, however communism is defined as a stateless classless society. How would you force people in such a situation?
IBM is most certainly capitalist, they just realized they could benefit from open source software once they fell behind MS. Being able to share development costs is still beneficial in a capitalist economy, even if you don't privately own the end product. Just like how sharing the cost of healthcare can be beneficial for the social welfare.
Communism in practice. Communism the theory is impossible. There's conflicts in society, what happens if a worker doesn't want to work in communism?
IBM was doing open source in 1952, 23 years before Microsoft was founded. You should really do some background research. To get you started, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_free_and_open-source_software
Since you didn't disagree, it sounds like we both agree that the FOSS movement is compatible with communist ideals.
Only the theory impacts the founding of the FOSS movement so communism in practice is irrelevant.
I've been talking about the FOSS movement this entire time, which dates to 1983. IBM only started interacting with the modern FOSS movement in a significant way in the 90s per https://www.ibm.com/opensource/story/
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Why are the donors relevant? This is like arguing that Yugoslavia wasn't communist because they received foreign aid from the US.
"They sell support and other things" Most (all?) theories of communism don't have currency when they reach the communist stage but if you're trying to make a socialist structure work in capitalism it would look like free open source projects.