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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It can be really bad for the industry if ARM is both a producer of chips and the gatekeeper within the ARM ecosystem. I don't know if there are laws against this or loopholes through them, but what is going to prevent them from just withholding license or technologies to push competition out?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This will accelerate riscv adoption and be the end of arm

Or at least their $180B market cap

[–] cyberpunk007 4 points 5 days ago

I don't know about the end of arm, but I otherwise agree

[–] Mohamed 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I would think, in the US, antitrust laws would apply.

Is this different from Intel and x86 architecture? (Genuinely asking)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

Or AMD as well. They make custom configs for clients (Steam Deck, XBox, PS5), as well as their own fish direct competitors.

So yeah, RISCV?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I would think, in the US, antitrust laws would apply.

ARM is brittish

Is this different from Intel and x86 architecture? (Genuinely asking)

yes the ARM architecture is it's own thing, licensed by ARM.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I think what they meant by that is "is this different wrt antitrust compared to Intel and x86?"

Intel both owns the x86 ISA and designs processors for it, though the situation is more favorable in that AMD owns x86-64 and obviously also designs their own processors.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

This is good for RISC-V.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

What the hell does that title mean? That sentence is so malformed.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Understanding the headline requires prior knowledge of the industry and ARM specifically.

Even without reading the article, I know that ARM is one of the only CPU companies I know of that designs CPUs but doesn't actually manufacture any of them for sale themselves. They license their CPU designs to other companies that use them in their own products which is why Apple can make their M silicon ARM CPUS for iOS devices and Qualcomm can their Snapdragon CPUs smartphone CPUs.

What this article headline is saying that ARM, for the first time, is manufacturing its own CPUs and not just licensing their tech to others to do so. Further, ARM is apparently poaching employees from their licensees that have ARM CPU knowledge to do it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Even still you wouldn’t say “Arm’s”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

I'm not defending the grammar. It is/was horrible. I was saying it was possible to understand what the headline was trying to communicate if you had knowledge of the industry.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It seems like OP added that 's for some reason. That's not included in the article title.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

In defense of OP, OP didn't add that by themselves. I saw the article when it was first linked and it had the apostrophe "s" in there just like OP's headline. So the headline was corrected at the source after OP posted it here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Looks like TomsHardware is conspiring against OP to make them look like an idiot.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

None of this makes the sentence less cumbersome. I understand what ARM does. I understand their relationship with other companies.

The sentence is objectively awful.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I didn't say it wasn't cumbersome, but your first post said you didn't understand what it was communicating. Do you now understand what the headline was communicating?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 days ago

I understand the article.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

It is two articles in a trenchcoat. One is about Arm making CPU's. The other is about Arm poaching talent from companies it currently sells to.

Instead of posting two articles with two different links about Arm Toms decided one was enough.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Arm reportedly to start competing with its own customers this year.

A few decades ago, this used to be a sure recipe for losing customers and marketshare, but the world has changed, maybe because the chip market lacks real competition, of course there is competition, but the number of players are too few, and they are too specialized for direct competition.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Makes sense, they must be sick of their data center designs going unused, on top of all the consolidation going on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Self-designed. Self-made is a stretch. It doesn’t look like they’re opening a foundry.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean by that measure AMD doesn't make chips either...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

Yeah they don't, since they are fabless. Same as Nvidia or Apple. They all design chips.