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[–] [email protected] 145 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Valve has made an emasculatingly large amount of money this way. Following in the footsteps of Id Software, Valve has been very open with their development tools. I don't know about the very earliest copies but the ZOMG GOTY edition of the original Half Life included its SDK on the disc. Counter Strike and Team Fortress started out as mods that Valve just...hired.

Releasing the tools to their customer base and then hiring the cream that rises to the top is a strategy I struggle to get mad at.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Thinking back, HL had a ridiculous quantity of high quality mods and TCs back in the day. Hell, Valve have even allowed HL to be remade and sold on steam.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"We'd prefer you didn't use the word "Source" in the game title. You wanna sell Black Mesa on Steam?"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Only a corporate officer that is fully enslaved by the lawyers of that corpo will not see how it's good business when humans engage with your product. When gamers play and interact with your code. It's pure folly to cite some trade war or corporate war with another corpo. No dude. Share with also other devs. Be a fucking human. You are not a corpo slave droid. I am so glad that valve is not publicly traded. Holy shit it must take a lot to be the leading company in this market and not bend to capitalist pressures

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I miss The Specialists and Vampire Slayer mods so so much...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Science and industry.

There are some discords where people play HL1 mods once a week.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Specialists mentioned

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Natural Selection was a quality one.

[–] [email protected] 167 points 6 days ago (2 children)

A few takeaways from the move:

  • Any modifications must be released as mods
  • Players downloading the mods must own the base game
  • The mods must be free and no aspect of the mod can be monetized.
  • The mods can now access TF2 steam inventory for cosmetics and weapons (but cannot modify the inventory)
[–] [email protected] 132 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

Ugh, greedy Valve making you spend $0 to buy the base game

[Edit] ok I read the article after making that joke and I see that it applies to several other valve games, not all of which are free to play

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Lol. It's so greedy of them!

Jokes aside. It's an interesting distinction to make. Even though the source code is freely available, it doesn't mean developers have free reign to do anything they want like they could with open source software. Apart from special circumstances, everything made with the source code will still be mods.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You can't do whatever you want with open source either. One big stipulation of copyleft licenses is the share-alike clause, which means you can't make modifications and then decide your program is now closed-source, so it protects the code from being enclosed again.

I mean yes you can make whatever modifications you want, generally, but it's not totally unrestricted.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Im honestly a really big fan of copyleft. I think that it seems more "fair" in a system that requires sacrifice to make progress.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

It does harken back to the original HL mod scene though - some high quality stuff came out of that (and valve picked up the Devs too)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Isn't this how they all are? L4d and l4d2 are the same unless you're hosting a server with .smx plugins.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sort of, but those let you use the pre-existing codebase for each game as is. This lets you play with the inner workings. You could do something drastic like implant rollback netcode, add new classes, wild shit.

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[–] capt_kafei 97 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Wow, this is an awesome move! We are honestly so lucky that Valve hasn't enshittified like so many other gaming companies out there.

[–] [email protected] 113 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's because Valve isn't owned by investors

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I would say the marketplace is a form of enshittification. They're not burrowing headfirst into the shit like some platforms, but it's an inevitable trend regardless.

Plus who knows what happens when gabe isn't around any more. Best case scenario is he leaves the company to the workers as a co-op and then it has a chance to be a lasting legacy, but maybe it goes to someone who puts it up to be publicly traded and that's game over.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (16 children)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, or what enshittification is, but how is the steam marketplace an example of it?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

What a boss move by Valve

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 days ago

it only took 18 years and also several years of radio silence after some mod authors asked them to clarify the legality of their work

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Aside from TF Classic and Pre Fortress, Pass Time 4v4 community is also planning for a mod release.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Goddamn, I miss those days! Got a real graphics card for TF2 (edit: I meant TF Classic) so I could see through water. Rocket jumping and cluster bombs, ahhhh. There was a mod with a grappling hook that was amazing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

3dfx cards were cheating! I can't see through water with my 1998 Packard Bell!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Sup, fellow old person. I had a Voodoo 2 with 12MB of VRAM on my 200MHz Packard Bell.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Source mod tools not to be confused with Sourcemod tools.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

You're a good doctor!

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