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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

everyone wants to force you to use apps instead of websites, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of apps are just websites..in a app wrapper, because normal websites and normal browsers have inbuilt protections for you.

Apps don't.

Idiots install apps, give them the 400,000 permissions they ask for, then go on their merry way..ignorant to the fact that they just installed a data vacuum on their phone thats siphoning everything off of it to be used and sold and resold for marketing purposes.. Even the phone itself its not safe, cause its sitting there, listening to your conversations, even when not on a call, to more "Accurately" spam you with bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I am still using a flip phone. My new goal is to make it to 2027 marking two decades of rejecting the smartphone era. Each time I consider compromising something gets even more awful about smartphones and I double down on saying no.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

Phone apps are nothing more than modern toolbars. And in case you forgot or missed this phase of the internet...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

Peak internet wdym

[–] AstralPath 16 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Click to win a FREE LOBSTER Dinner 🦀🦞🦐

Man I miss this era of the internet. It truly felt like a new frontier.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

I clicked, but all I got was a dancing stripper and something called Conficker.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, Bonzi Buddy!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Then you could agree with any barely computer-savvy person that such things should be killed with fire.

Now a lot of very competent person will try to persuade you how you are a luddite and wrong, except 5-10 years ago they'd also promise some bright tech future in addition to that, and now you're just wrong because they can exist in that environment and like it, and you can't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago)

you can't.

Can, but refuse. Big distinction for me. I've lived through these arguments once already, and have watched their computers keel over and die several time from the viruses these toolbars often bring, and I will now watch as their phones do the same.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

I'm in California where we have a grocery chain, Safeway. They've had a loyalty card for decades, which works great, gets you good deals, can be scanned by the checkout clerk or at self checkout. It also racks up points which can be used for discounts.

About 2 years ago I started seeing signs in the store offering even greater savings through the app. There will sometimes be 2 signs side by side for the loyalty card vs the app. The app is always a better deal.

So I downloaded the app and learned

  • the app cannot scan your membership at self checkout, you have to be checked out by a clerk
  • the app's membership number is different from your loyalty card number and the two cannot be merged.
  • because of that your points can't be transferred to the app

It's the dumbest thing ever. Why not just offer the better savings to the loyalty card? Isn't that the whole point behind loyalty? I literally shop at Safeway less often now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

"It’s the dumbest thing ever. Why not just offer the better savings to the loyalty card?"

it's not a flaw. it's a feature.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

Loyalty cards werent a great thing either.

They werent to reward your loyalty, they were to tie your purchase history to an individual, So that information can be used and sold for marketing purposes.

It was basically the prototype for the invasive, information stealing apps we have today.

[–] whoisearth 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

My GF laughs because I have no loyalty cards or apps and I laugh that she has one for everything.

Loyalty rewards are bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 47 minutes ago

In the US, if you don't have the loyalty card, you're paying more for groceries. For the stores we use, any sale prices are contingent upon using the loyalty card. This can add up to $5-$10 per order.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I'm shocked.

Right off the top of my head, I can mention an entire finacial institution that only exists through an app. No website, no physical locations, no nothing. It's one app and that is it.

[–] Showroom7561 35 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

As I've been making an effort to replace apps with the browser version of the service. It's so abundantly clear that companies don't want you using their website.

Even if they don't outright cripple functionality, they'll hound you endlessly to install the app.

It's infuriating to say the least.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Even if they don’t outright cripple functionality, they’ll hound you endlessly to install the app.

Still don't understand the logic of doing that.

It's like saying,

"Our website is nigh unusable, please install our app instead. We pinky promise our app works".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's because you have control over your browser, but they control their app and all its trackers, ads, etc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yep. They want you to use apps, cause all the permissions you give the app makes it much easier for them to harvest all your data for marketing and selling purposes.

[–] Showroom7561 1 points 42 minutes ago

That's exactly it. Easy to block ads and trackers on a website, but more difficult or impossible on some apps.

One of the banking apps won't show the total balance of the account unless I'm using the app. How ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

Early 2000 wants its internet back

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

they make older phones become useless after ditching their support

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

My S21 is on the verge of losing regular security updates, and I hate it. The battery is fine, the camera is more than adequate, I do not want to upgrade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago

Mine decided to randomly start rebooting about a year ago. :( Tried everything I could think of to get it to work normally, but nothing helped. I couldn't rely on it, so I had to replace it. Like you, I hadn't planned to replace it any time soon.

[–] Sunshine 51 points 8 hours ago (13 children)

These useless apps make Linux phone adoption harder, fuck them!

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I use GraphineOS on my Pixel 7 and even I feel penalized for caring about my privacy. Its absolutely nonsense, not everything needs an app.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

Yeah. My bank is one of the few UK banks whose app won't work with Graphene, which is irritating. Also, the lack of Wallet access for payment cards is annoying.

But all in all everything else works fine.

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