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Fuck Windows and Microsoft really. Today I had a meeting call through Teams first thing in the morning so I start my computer 10 minutes earlier than the call because it takes a like 3 or 4 minutes to boot and for Windows to be responsive. Windows decides to apply some past update so it takes 2 or 3 additional minutes which is fine, I am just in time for the meeting call. Well, 10 minutes into the call a notification in windows appears that the computer will restart in 5 minutes and with no option to postpone WTF. Imagine this was an important sales call, an emergency or something else critical, I might be fucked. The computer restarted I started my linux personal computer and I connect my bluetooth headphones to the it but no, they were connected to the Windows computer while it was restarting so I could not just call from it as the microphone started failing a few weeks ago. (I will just replace it, thanks Framework). So fuck my company for using Windows. Fuck Windows for developing such a nightmare OS with so shitty code. This was for sure a patch for a critical vulnerability, like always. And WTF this is Windows for a business, have a fucking super stable branch that does not need patches every other day. I don't care about your updates to the shitty weather widget, just have a fucking working operating system that let's me do my work. Fuck Microsoft monopolistic practices that keeps people and businesses from switching to Linux. There is no better publicity for Linux that Windows itself. Most Linux/GNU distros just let you choose when to update.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

luckily i can wipe my work laptop and install linux (for now, there are discussions about not letting unmanaged devices on the network at some point...), but what annoys me is seeing how much tax money we send straight to microsoft. i work in the education sector in europe and the majority of the company's funds comes from the government, to send millions of that straight to the US, especially with the politics going on right now, seems like a horrible idea. and SO many others are doing the same thing, i swear if we invested just 10% of it into FOSS the world would be a better place already and we'd all save money.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

100% retaliatory tariff on Microsoft products when Trump enacts his tariffs. And all that money goes to switching government and education over to Linux.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

I’m no Windows fanboy but I have to use it quite a lot, at home and at work. I don’t know what versions or settings you guys have set up but I’ve never had a Windows update I can’t postpone, ever.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Depends on the settings your IT has set up... Mine will let you put it off, but after a couple times you're left with no choice but to let it run.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

but after a couple times you're left with no choice but to let it run.

That would be an user issue then. If I have an update I'll try to do it asap, if I can't then end of my shift.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

That also shocked me. Then again, Windows does suck pretty bad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

I have had several, but usually you had like 1 hour. Entreprise windoze 7 a couple of years ago, happened several times. There was also some update that bricked some 50% of the dell laptops lol, mine went through but my colleagues sweated bullets.

Now it's force restarting "outside business hours" or some crap. How stable.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (6 children)

Then come up with a better alternative to office 365.

Windows isn't keeping Microsoft around. Its their office software. (and azure)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Actually staff and commercial vendors are keeping Windows. Plus no one gets fired for choosing MS products. That IT staff are all Windows certified means Windows will always be the answer. That users are similarly trained and need certain Windows software will mean they demand it too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

I'd be so bold as to say about 90% of windows business users are only using it for office/excel/outlook

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Nextcloud and LibreOffice: allow us to introduce ourselves

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Yeah have a great time supporting libreoffice across an org of 200/2000/20000 end users. Not happening. Not without a dedicated helpdesk team that ONLY supports users office troubles. The cost of that would be way more than their monthly 365 subscription.

Also theres the infinite number of comparability issues youlll run into if you need to do business with another company that only uses Microsoft.

Also nextcloud is great but it absolutely is not competition to one drive or SharePoint in the enterprise.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

My company has multiple options for computers. You can choose the windows laptop. The bigger windows laptop. The other windows laptop. Or if you are a graphic designer, that one MacBook option.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

I've been pretty lucky that I've been able to use Linux on my work laptop the past 3 jobs in a row. It really helps that we use Linux production in and when I tell them that I haven't used Windows in nearly a decade, they're usually willing to let me work with Linux.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago

Go get drunk. You deserve it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I agree.

I find the Teams app works great on Ubuntu. The Microsoft apps work OK in browser, until you have a lot of collaborators.

I rarely need to switch to windows, so when I do switch I expect to spend an hour doing updates.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I also use Windows at work, and it is driving me insane. The updates can be annoying, but it is mostly just how fucking slow it is. Directories routinely take mulitple seconds to load, and I don't understand why. I also just prefer Gnome in general, but I do think the Window's user interface as a whole is pretty good when it works. I will say, WSL works well for the things I want to run "in linux", and it integrates very nicely with VS Code.

I can actually install Linux if I want. They provide instructions for how to roll it in to Intune etc, and I will probably try it, but keep a dual boot to Windows available for when I really need it. The problem is that my job is married to Office, which doesn't have native linux support at all. We ues OneDrive, Outlook, Teams and collaborative Word, Excel and Powerpoint. Most of these probably run okay enough in browser, but especially for big Word documents where we need to make sure formatting is okay (a nightmare in Word even without multiple users editing the document at once), I am not sure if it works well enough. Rclone can be used to sync to OneDrive. For now I just try to avoid making office documents whenever possible, sticking to markdown, latex and csv files etc., store as much as possible on our i.e. our GitLab instance instead, and hopefully it will it will be easier to switch over time.

I also wonder what would happen if Donny wakes up one day, decides he wants to invade Europe or something and all our Office 365 licenses suddenly stop working. We would have a lot of other bigger issues of course, so it's not the most critical issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Directories routinely take mulitple seconds to load, and I don’t understand why.

Probably thumbnail generation, and I was going to say file indexing, but surely that runs in the background. Baloo in KDE is a lot less intrusive anyway.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

I was going to say file indexing, but surely that runs in the background.

Assuming indexing is enables, yes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

Come work at Meta, we have Fedora Linux laptops :)

Edit: Maybe we should crowd source a list of companies that let you use Linux. I've worked at startups and straight up told the CEO "I'm installing Linux" and that has worked, but corporate companies you can't get away with that

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"Tell me it's Friday without saying it's Friday" ;)

But to the point, yeah, my current job tried to convince me to switch to Windows. I tried, it was miserable experience, it broke in 3 days and all that was even before the current Windows ludicrousness

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

They asked you to install Windows on your personal machine? Do companies not give you a work laptop anymore?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

No, on work laptop

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 hours ago

@ranovich if you just need to hop on a call and windows is giving you shit, why not join using another device?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

The update thing started maybe 10 years ago or was it 15. Company I worked for went from terrible patching to this BS. Why something in between was not sufficient I will never know or why it cannot hot patch.

Edit: Before the company actually did serious patching worms regularly took down the whole company for days. But why they had to go from that to interrupting presentations and calls is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

At work we have everything windows. When getting my work laptop with windows, I just intalled PopOs on it. I do have the problem of not able to use AOVPN, so I can't work from home. But since I need to go close to work, why even work from home.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

why even work from home.

The freedom of not wearing pants at your desk

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago

I remember hearing during lockdown that sales of business pants had tanked, but sales of business shirts hadn't.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

What is AOVPN?

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