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[–] [email protected] 10 points 58 minutes ago

"Man who works 10 hours per year tells underlings to work 60 hours per week."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 minutes ago

I highly recommend Kara Swisher's recent book "Burn Book" for insights into the Tech lads like Brin, etc, as she's known most of them since the 90s.

Really helps contextualize the crazy cocktail of engineering/commercial power with general naivety a lot of these guys have going.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

So he's saying they've exhausted the pool of applicants so badly to replace that with normal work weeks, just 150% amount of Googlers or maybe 200% amount of Googlers?

Power and fame break a man. Even if he wasn't broken from the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

What I learned working with Googlers. They were dorks. Big ass dorks. Who got used by women because for the first time in their lives. They were attractive to these women. So many broken marriages and divorces from cheating husbands. That they joked about at the Christmas party. It was an eye opening experience.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 hours ago

Who gives a fuck what Sergey brin thinks

[–] 7rokhym 30 points 2 hours ago

Thought this was an Onion article!

Hey plebs! I demand you work 50% more to develop AGI so that I can replace you with robots and fire all of you and make myself a double plus plutocrat! Also, I want to buy an island, small city, Bunker, Spaceship, And/Or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 40 minutes ago

I guess we don't need it then.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

AGI requires a few key components that no LLM is even close to.

First, it must be able to discern truth based on evidence, rather than guessing it. Can’t just throw more data at it, especially with the garbage being pumped out these days.

Second, it must ask questions in the pursuit of knowledge, especially when truth is ambiguous. Once that knowledge is found, it needs to improve itself, pruning outdated and erroneous information.

Third, it would need free will. And that’s the one it will never get, I hope. Free will is a necessary part of intelligent consciousness. I know there are some who argue it does not exist but they’re wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

Third, it would need free will.

I strongly disagree there. I argue that not even humans have free will, yet we're generally intelligent so I don't see why AGI would need it either. In fact, I don't even know what true free will would look like. There are only two reasons why anyone does anything: either you want to or you have to. There's obviously no freedom in having to do something but you can't choose your wants and not-wants either. You helplessly have the beliefs and preferences that you do. You didn't choose them and you can't choose to not have them either.

[–] orb360 1 points 50 minutes ago

The human mind isn't infinitely complex. Consciousness has to be a tractable problem imo. I watched Westworld so I'm something of an expert on the matter.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

That might speed it up, but that certainly is not a prerequisite.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 hours ago

I don't believe a single word of this bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

I bet it would happen faster if this guy was fired.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

He can fuck all the way off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 40 minutes ago
[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They warn us about AGI while simultaneously attempting to sell it to us.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 37 minutes ago

Black PR is PR too, it's like warnings about weapons of the future and combat robots and antiutopia for many people worked as an ad, and they want that exact future.

I think it's the same with AGI. People think Skynet is cool and want Skynet, because they think it's the future.

Except it's a bit less, like real fascism doesn't look similar to Warhammer, just to a criminal district ruled by a gang, scaled for a country.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Or just hire 50% more engineers? Or wait 50% longer?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 hours ago

with "hire more" you do run up against the "9 women can have a baby in 1 month" limit, but in this case it's likely to help.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

For how many years? Cuz y'all ain't anywhere near AGI. You can't even get generative AI to not suck compared to your competition in that market (which is a pretty low bar) lol

[–] [email protected] 105 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

AGI is not in reach. We need to stop this incessant parroting from tech companies. LLMs are stochastic parrots. They guess the next word. There's no thought or reasoning. They don't understand inputs. They mimic human speech. They're not presenting anything meaningful.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like I have found a lone voice of sanity in a jungle of brainless fanpeople sucking up the snake oil and pretending LLMs are AI. A simple control loop is closer to AI than a stochastic parrot, as you correctly put it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

There are at least three of us.

I am worried what happens when the bubble finally pops because shit always rolls downhill and most of us are at the bottom of the hill.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago

Not sure if we need that particular bubble to pop for us to be drowned in a sea of shit, looking at the state of the world right now :( But silicon valley seems to be at the core of this clusterfuck, as if all the villains form there or flock there...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That undersells them slightly.

LLMs are powerful tools for generating text that looks like something. Need something rephrased in a different style? They're good at that. Need something summarized? They can do that, too. Need a question answered? No can do.

LLMs can't generate answers to questions. They can only generate text that looks like answers to questions. Often enough that answer is even correct, though usually suboptimal. But they'll also happily generate complete bullshit answers and to them there's no difference to a real answer.

They're text transformers marketed as general problem solvers because a) the market for text transformers isn't that big and b) general problem solvers is what AI researchers are always trying to create. They have their use cases but certainly not ones worth the kind of spending they get.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

LLM's can now generate answers. Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPf5GCQBNn4&t=450s

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 hours ago

With all the rounds of layoffs they've had, their remaining employees would need to be quite stupid to give a shit what this disloyal piece trash says.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

If it's in reach working 60 hour weeks, it's also in reach working 40 hour weeks, it will just take 1/3rd longer. ;)

[–] howrar 26 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Let's be real, it'll probably happen faster on 40 hour work weeks than 60.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

lots of evidence starting to point to it'd be quicker in 32 hour weeks than 40

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Let's work 20 hour weeks then. Who wants AGI other than war pigs and billionaires?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago

I mean, we could get a rogue agi take over the world. It might not even be worse lmao

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

"Work 50% longer weeks so you can make something that'll both make me richer AND cost you your jobs!" is not the motivational speech he thinks it is.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I don't even know what AGI is, and I read the headline as "rich disconnected from reality asshole".

Turns out I was right.

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[–] [email protected] 187 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

That's why I bake my cake at 2608°C for ~1,8 minutes, it just works™

[–] [email protected] 98 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Project Manager here, and where I’m from it’s common knowledge that 9 women can have a baby in a month .

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 hours ago

Or!—hear me out—one woman whose 8 co-gestators were just laid off by someone who doesn’t understand what their job was

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

You can’t produce a baby in one month by getting nine women pregnant.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If it can be reached in 60 hour work weeks it can be reached in 40, but nah mfs should rush to get themselves replaced

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If it can be reached in 60 hour work weeks, then it can be reached in 40 hour work weeks be hiring a second person.

If management isn't willing to put the effort in of hiring the required staff, why would I want to work the job of 2 people for 1 persons pay?

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

lol, because if they work 40-hour weeks they might create it a couple of weeks later

[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Or, worse, they might actually have to hire enough people to actually do the job. Why hire 100 people with good work life balance, when you can hire 60 people that aren't allowed to have lives or families.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago

So he's saying it's not in reach then.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

Or, y'know, he could hire 50% more programmers / contractors, instead of overworking his current staff

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 hours ago

This is almost too depressing to be funny.

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