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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?

The USA has shown over and over, it's the only thing we take seriously. We don't give a fuck until you have nukes. We don't care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just "how can we take advantage of you?"

Also .. World, I understand you're not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

Unfortunately Ukraine was part of the Budapest Memorandum. With this they gave up their nuclear armament in an agreement that "prohibited Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and France from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations."

So they gave up their nukes with the agreement that they would be safe from these 4 groups. However that didn't do shit for them, thus a huge reason why any SeasFire would have to have some big security backing. As Russia has ignored all prior agreements.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 minutes ago

Exactly why the lesson any other non-nuclear armed country should learn is to get the nukes

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago

As an American,

1000001135

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 hour ago

What you say feels right, and it is breaking my heart

[–] [email protected] 3 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

It's too hard. Yeah, we understand the required specs, but the precision machines and rare ores are internationally monitored. Tom Clancy's The Sum of All Fears was eye opening as to what the terrorists had to go through to make a single bomb. And it fizzled into a "normal" atom bomb.

And I'm not even talking about the experts involved, a physics degree ain't gonna get it. The precision machining for the tooling alone is mind blowing, then you gotta fab the actual parts. Again, you're not getting people like that in a room with a LinkedIn ad, and it would be noticed, very noticed, if you tried.

Now if you want to skip 3-stage hydrogen bombs and just roll an atom bomb, still tough, but much more doable.

tl;dr: The nuclear powers would come down on you like a ton of bricks if a country even tried starting a program. See: Iran.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago

See Pakistan.

Shit can work out. Russia has plenty of peeps looking for seedy revenue streams

[–] [email protected] 7 points 54 minutes ago

The straight to not knee this fatfuck retards head in while sitting so close to him must be immense.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

"Peace deal" means surrender now, don't join NATO, and get invaded again in a few years.

TBH idk how Zelenskyy thought things would go any differently.

[–] WorkshopBubby 7 points 29 minutes ago

I doubt he thought it would go differently. But he did an amazing job showing the world how utterly depraved Trump and Vance are. There can be no question now that they are Putin stooges. The United States lost the cold war, Putin won without firing a single bullet. It is out in the open.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So word is that the more the US mistreats Z, the more the European people like him, and want to support him. So this was probably a great outcome fir them. The deal offered was very one sided. Had Z just not taken it, people would blame him. But now, everyone knows who to blame.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

I understand you mean Zelenskyy, but you are using Russian dog whistles, by referring to him as Z. Z = the Russian version of calling people Nazis because they opposed Putin.

Tagged, and watching to see who you are. Especially with that extremely sus UN.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)

As much as this makes me hate Donald Trump more than I already did, which was already more than I hate almost anyone, the really horrific thing is that a decent fraction of Americans will look at this and think Trump made the right decision, or at least a brave, or reasonable, decision.

[–] WorkshopBubby 2 points 27 minutes ago

True, but I don't think it matters any more what they think. They are a cult, and we cannot salvage this situation by swaying them. We have to act accordingly. They just need to be mowed down if they get in the way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 41 minutes ago

I'm ready to protest this shit. Tell me when and where to show up, my local big city or state capital. This is some bullshit. Trump and Vance are egotistical dickheads. Ukraine are our allies! Imagine George Washington doing this with Marquis de Lafayette, or FDR with Churchill!! Unspeakable!

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's been a while since I've gone through a whole day being proud of my US citizenship. Today was one of the most shameful.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Honestly. I've never been more ashamed. I wish I could help end this shit, ya know?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 45 minutes ago

Same. What an awful day to be a sane American.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) about this stuff, and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.

Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

hey! I remember you! I saved your whole comment.

your comment made me think something worse was on the way and made me start to prepare.

thanks!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 59 minutes ago

Good, that is the point, I want people to be safe, stay alive, have food to eat and homes to live in. Take care!

[–] MDCCCLV 4 points 1 hour ago

The trouble is that this was probably intentional, you can see the vp is literally an attack dog in this case, but I still think it's likely that if zelensky stroked trumps ego it wouldn't have ended that way. It's like trump is pro Russia but also narcissistic and they are sometimes at odds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 37 minutes ago

They can't even look him in the eye. They know he's telling the truth and they're full of shit.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Finally a f**king actual headline. That was a disaster and a disgrace for all Americans. I can’t take these meek be “explosive White House meeting, where maybe Trump was possibly speaking angrily, but please Mr. Trump don’t sue us, if you disagree!”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago

Any links to the moment or moments? Or did they bury this already? I was busy when it happened and then several of my engineering and science friends came into my lab and they were all talking about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

(Should be obv, but this excludes Zelenskyy)

Edit: wtf why is it so hard to insert gifs

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 hours ago

totally not a russian dog

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I just can't understand why Vance would interpret Zelenskyy as being disrespectful for politely, calmly, and carefully articulating his point of view on how diplomacy has failed him and his country. Vance seems like the type of person I would basically laugh at and walk away from if I were in a situation to have to hear him be "alpha and in-charge".

It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 hours ago

It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.

That's not a coincidence.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 hours ago

Because they went in wanting to find a way to make Zelenskyy seem unreasonable. They have no intention of helping Ukraine at all and now it's going to be because he didn't immediately kiss Trumps feet.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 hours ago

He didn't, he was just saying that it was disrespectful cause he wanted to show what a good little bitch he is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Lol imagine being a Russian and seeing the "Evil West" siding with your leader. Must be a confusing time... 🤣

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The restraint on Zelenskyy to not call him Krasnov to his face.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You mean the only adult in the room?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 hour ago

Hey, don't disrespect the cameramen!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

I'm already seeing the memes about Trump and Vance dominating zelenski or flat out turning this event into a joke rather than keeping it as the shit show it is. They move fast

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