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[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

Even worse. 90 in old Danish is "halvfemsindstyve" but it is rarely used today. The "sinds" part is derived from "sinde" means multiplied with but it is not in use in Danish anymore. That leaves halvfems, meaning half to the five (which is not used alone anymore) and tyve meaning twenty (as it still does).

We are in current Danish shortening it to halvfems which actually just means "half to the five" in old Danish (2.5) to say 90. 92 is then "tooghalvfems" (two and half to the five, or 2+2.5). The "sindstyve" part (multiplied with 20) fell out of favour.

So we at least have some rules to the madness. Were just not following them at all anymore.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (4 children)

How did you guys even get to this thought process for saying this sort of thing? Why would you work in fractions for whole numbers in language to start? Is this a monarch thing like they fancied themselves a math wizard so they said it like it was a solution on countdown and others mimicked to keep them happy/sound smart themselves?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The reason is that the Danish numbering system is based on a vigesimal (base-20) system instead of the decimal system. Why is a good question but it might have been influenced by French during a time where numbers from 50-100 is less frequently used, making them prone to complexity. The fractions simply occur since you need at least one half of twenty (10) to make the change from e.g 50 to 60 in a 20-based system.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

ancient danes counted with their toes too lmao

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Little fun-fact: We still have a trace of this left in Norwegian, where the most common way to say "1.5" is not "en og en halv" ("one and a half") but "halvannen" which roughly translates to "half second".

We abandoned the "half third", "half fourth" etc. very long ago (if we ever used them), but "halvannen" just rolls nicely off the tongue.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

When I'm in Denmark and have to say 92 I just say "kamelåså"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You just ordered a thousand litres of milk

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 week ago (17 children)

For a real explanation of this watch this illuminating video.

TL;DW According to the perons, it's based on counting sheep and from base 20. 1 score = 20 sheep. 2 score = 40 sheep.
To get to 50, you have 2.5 score, but they don't say "two and a half". They are quite Germanic and say "halfway to 3" (Germans do this too). So, 50 = half three score.

The video also points out that English has (as the hodgepodge of a language it is) yet another remnant of Germanic languages: 13-19 are not "te(e)n-three to te(e)n-nine", but "three-te(e)n to nine-te(e)n", just like in German "drei-zehn bis neun-zehn".

It's quite easy to mock other languages, but there's always a reason for why things are the way they are. Think of Chesterton's fence.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's also a reason for imperial measurements, but it's still a worse system than metric.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I'm German and our way of counting is genuinely stupid. 121 would translate to "onehundred one and twenty". You'd think it's just a matter of practice but errors related to mixing up digits are statistically more common in German speaking regions. Awesome when it comes to stuff like calculating medication dosages and such. Like it's not a huge issue but it's such an unneccessary layer of confusion.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Its so annoying with phone numbers as well, depending how someone pronounces is. My mom always says phone numbers in 2 digits, like 06 12 34 56 78 (06 twelve fourandthirty sixandfifty eightandseventy) and you just get confused because you want to type in the first number pronounced

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Phone numbers should always be said by individual digits, makes it simpler and faster to type as you're listening

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes! I'm German and I hate it. It's also very inconvenient when entering numbers into a spreadsheet or something, because you have to know the whole number before you can start typing it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a non-native working in German, the numbers are one of the trickiest parts.

My jobs generally involve a lot of math and discussions of numbers, and I often struggle with swapping numbers around in my head. Especially because when you get to bigger numbers people often switch between (or use a combination of) listing individual digits left-to-right and saying multi-digit numbers.

The though is when you occasionally notice natives mess it up!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

The older generation in Norway also uses that format. I usually tell them that we aren't under German occupation anymore, so they should use the sensible format.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ehh, i'm not giving France a pass either.

The answer to 100 - 8 should not be four twenties and a twelve. We're counting, not making change.

French counting is bunk. Way, Way, better then Denmark though apparently

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

the thing nobody mentions is that the 4x20 part became a word that just means 80 in people's mind, it kinda not literal anymore, but the Swiss and Belgian ways are still better (edit the 4x20+10 is similarly just 90)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Norway used to count like the Germans, but switched after the introduction of the telephone. There were simply too many mistakes when telling the numbers to the operators, that a change was mandated.

Old people might still use the 2+90 variant though, but it is not very common.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

So now you're calling me old? THE NERVE!

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fun fact, english used to count the same way as german, and it still has the numbers in "reverse" from 13 to 19.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Eleven and twelve kinda are as well. They literally mean "one left" (ain-lif) and "two left" (twa-lif) with the "over ten" being implied.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I’m 43 years old and this is the first time I’ve seen an explanation of these numbers. Thank you!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (8 children)

That meme is so lame. 92 in Danish is two and a half fives. The 20 part is old-fashioned and literally nobody has used that since the 1800s.

2 and a half fives' twentieth = outdated cringe. 2 and a half fives = actually how it is said today.

It's still a friggin nightmare to get someone's Phone number verbally, though.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

That only makes it worse.

Two and a half fives = 12.5.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Dane here. No one actively thinks of 90 (halvfems, 2 and a half fives) as a mathematical expression. Is is just a word for 90. So we say 2+90 like Germany.

Would it have been nice if that word meant "9 tens", yes, but Danish is a just a stupid language where you have to learn a bunch of things by heart unfortunately.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

French is pretty stupid too. Smart Belgium with french as national tongue only changed that number aberration: They use the made-up word "octante" for eighty and "nonante" for ninety, instead of "quatre-ving" (four-twenty) or "quatre vingt dix" (four-twenty , ten) in proper french

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What if I told you that all words are made up?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In Belgium we use nonante, not octante, that is, iirc only used in Switzerland. That means we at least don’t use quatre-vingt onze etc.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm actually impressed by this map. The French speaking part of Switzerland is not only differentiated from the German speaking part, it is also differently coloured than France, since Swiss French has more sensible numbers.

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[–] puppinstuff 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Quatre-vingt douze isn’t incredibly onerous when you use it in practice.

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[–] CherryBullets 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

French language uses math to speak numbers if anyone is wondering about France.

Edit: Apparently I wasn't precise enough for the dude below. It starts at 70 and ends at 99 every time you get to those numbers. De rien, tabarnak.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Finnish is actually 9*10+2

Yhdeksänkymmentäkaksi

Yhdeksän = nine

Kymmentä = of ten

Kaksi = two

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Isn't it mostly 9*10+2? 9 * ty (implying 10) + 2.

Even german does that, although weirdly the way you can't just write down long numbers reasily one by one: Zwei (2) und ((and) neun- (9) -zig (*10)).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Note to self: For learning a scandinavian language - learn Swedish instead of Danish.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Ugh okay here's another "Danes shouldn't be allowed to make number stuff":

The time 15:25 is "five minutes before half 4"

"Fem minutter i halv fire"

So you round up to 16 before even halfway, what!?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

That makes perfect sense to me though. In Swedish we'd say fem i halv fyra. Five minutes to half four.

But in English half four would be short for half past four. I guess.

Counting like the Danish, however, that is an abomination.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They must have meant 9*10+2 for most of the countries. For French and Danish you would just remember the word for 90 instead of using logic to get there so they are actually quite 90+2.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So do you mean to suggest "quatre-vingt-dix" just means 90 and doesn't also mean "four-twenty-ten"?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

@ObviouslyNotBanana Ninety-two → Nine-ty-two → 9x10+2 :troll:

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