I was there. It was awesome seeing so many people. I prefer Mutualism over Democratic Socialism, but like AOC said there, "no matter if you disagree with me on a few things, if you are willing to fight for someone you don’t know, you are welcome here."
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Thanks. I needed a rally to know that. So what's the plan to stop this screw over without relying on the people to be cannon fodder and resort to violence? More rallies and fund raisers for the party of the meek and moral victories? Bit of /s in there.
I really hope this "AOC takes over the Democratic Party and saves America" arc has a happy ending
She's a young, outspoken woman of color. Old white people would never let it happen, even if half are in a nursing home mainlining Fox News straight into their frontal cortex and can barely walk on their own.
A lot of folk are still recovering from Obama being elected twice.
At least Bernie looks familiar to them, so the hatred will be tampered.
Actually the groups that swung the election for Trump were young men (HUGE swing), and immigrants (despite voting against their own interests and pulling the ladder up behind them for future immigration).
Senior men were more likely to vote for Kamala than young men.
We gotta figure out how to De-Tate people
Immigrants did still vote for Kamala as a majority (55%).
I wasn't aware of the massive jump Trump had achieved with young men. Looks like it was especially true with young white men, with nearly two thirds voting for Trump. Less than 30% of young men from other racial demographics voted for Trump with the exception of Latinos (45%).
Overall the biggest jumps were with Latinos and young white men but he saw an increase in nearly of every demographic except older white people with whom he has historically had majority support.
I unfortunately have to agree with you. With how the Harris election results went, i don't think people are ready for a woman president, let alone a brown one. The median American is too stupid, racist, and sexist.
I think this is not the right conclusion to draw from Harris and Clinton lost to Trump. They were both right-center Dems with lots of anti-left positions. Clinton voted to attack Iraq even though we all knew there were no WMDs and had been a polarizing figure for decades, she was not a good candidate. Neither was Harris, she was corporate, didn't condemn the genocide in Israel, and courted the Cheney vote. That isn't how to get the left to turn out. Neither had a good platform. Mitt Romney lost and so did John McCain and John Kerry I don't hear anyone condemning Mormons or veterans being losing classes of candidates.
A principled woman who isn't a corporate shill or pro-genocide is completely different. Our system is broken, pretending a little adjusting of the regulations or pretending the other side is acting in good faith and being gracious is clearly a losing strategy.
Sad but true. DNC thought they had it in the bag with Kamala to the Hispanic group. Did they? Nope! A lot of voters didn’t want a female leader. Mexico is doing better than US currently when comes to leadership and voters.
The powers and process screwed over Bernie in 2016. It would have unquestionably been a clear victory over orange circus clown. He would have been one of the greatest leaders in the 21st century. Now he's too old, even though the fire is still in him. But we do know now that America hates women, especially of colour, for leaders. AOC wouldn't have a chance until a huge social upheaval to change such attitudes and core hatred has occurred, possibly the Civil War 2/WW3.
Just like how past world wars created the world we live in today. Before WW1, before men of all social classes bled together in the trenches of Europe it was quite a different attitude regarding the rights of people and classes compared to after the event. The schools of fascism and communism was very enticing to populations after such a wanton and colossal loss of life by poor leadership on the battlefields.
Clinton and Harris didn't lose because they were women. They lost because their campaigns were broken.
Harris was sabotaged by Biden trying to cling to power despite not being fit for the job anymore and Clinton thought she had such a guaranteed win she didn't even bother to try to counter her image as the career politician that was everything wrong with government at the time. They would have both still lost even if they were old rich white men.
And, before you say it, Biden only won because of the pandemic. If people hadn't been dying in droves at the time, we would have already finished with Trump's second term by now.
a sanders/occasio-cortez ticket would work, and basically be a coronation for her, if we can do enough work to still have elections in four years.
This is some actual leadership looks like. It's not something that commes around every 4 years around election time trying to triangulate a voting block.
Save your praise until they actually win some victories. Marches and rallies are a good start, but they don't necessarily translate into political action. Remember the women's marches in 2017? The largest single day protest in American history and it did exactly two things: jack and shit. People went out, waved signs, went home, and Trump flipped three court seats and ended Roe.
Bernie in particular has always been great at turning out a crowd, but he's never been able to turn that into political or legislative victories.
Ok so 4 years from now, when the major complaint has been gathering support only happens during election time........
Right. Now is the right time to start.
But it's too soon to tell if that effort will accomplish anything, because the effort has to be sustained through 2026 and 2028.
And the people showing up waving signs have to become politically active - not just showing up and going home, but writing their congresspeople and boycotting companies and knocking on doors to get out the vote and so on and so forth. Bernie and AOC can stump all they want. If they don't inspire people to act it means nothing.
The Democrats need a grassroots movement - as angry and passionate and hopeful as the Tea Party was - not just speeches by celebrity pols. It's too early to tell if liberal citizen voters will accept their responsibility to build that movement.
Here's what I'd like someone to explain: suppose we have four (or even eight) years of president AOC.
Everything is going dandy. Palestine is recognized. Student loans are discharged. Maybe we're even on track to get a public option. Etc. We get everything we want.
It seems like it only takes 1 (ONE) election cycle for Dems / Liberals / Progressives to stay home and be like "naaah, I just don't feel it this year...Not gonna vote" to undo everything. Dems have had a slim majority in the house for the last 20 years. SC is one seat away from disaster.
We are only in moth #2 of Orange Fucks presidency and look at all the damage he's done. We're back to square one. Nothing changes. I'm starting to get blackpilled about the whole democratic experiment. Someone give me some perspective please... I just don't trust the American voter any more. The only consistency is Maga will always show up to vote no matter what piece of shit is written on the ballot. Dems / Liberals / Progressives: we need to move mountains to get any political coalitions or clout to achieve anything.
If the DNC wants to continue to exist they need to give up on the idea of being the good conservative party. That's why their base doesn't show up. You can only be held hostage for so long before you just give up and let happen what will happen.
If they would actually pass real reform and genuinely try to make the lives of the worst off better, they'd never have to worry about the republicans again.
If people get what they want they will come voting out in droves.
You're getting blackpilled because your scope of what liberal democracy is is incredibly limited and almost childish. Student loan forgiveness? Recognizing Palestine? Those are useless carrots dangled in front of you that do not materially change the country or even count as policies.
If you want to lock out authoritarians for another 100 years and have a real democracy you need to think bigger and grow up. Fundamental voting procedures need to be overhauled. The judiciary needs to be completely removed and then reinstated with additional safeguards against partisanship. Return to a gold standard and abolishment of stocks. Yes, the entire stock market. Quite frankly the entire constitution needs an overhaul to a degree where the old one should just be tossed into a fire and the flag changed afterwards to reflect all these changes to the country.
THAT is what is needed. To remove FUNDAMENTAL and ENDEMIC problems that have been plaguing this republic for 200 years now!
But instead of thinking about that, you just prefer some free money in the form of debt forgiveness. And that's why Trump won and he and his successor will keep winning for the foreseeable future.
You somehow missed my entire point and managed to focus on the least important aspects of my question. The situations I described were hypotheticals reflecting the best possible world.
My entire thesis is all it takes for one election cycle for progressives / leftists / liberals to not bother getting off the couch and everything we work for si setback another 100 years. It will take sooo much time to undo what Elon and Trump have done it just the past two months. I don't care about the goddamn student loans. My argument is democracy doesnt work, does it?
They are arguing that a real progressive would try to fix democracy. Overturn citizens United. Get money out of politics. Push for an alternative to first past the post. Remove the electoral college. You do those things and fascism becomes much easier to defend against.
Have you ever heard the saying
"the flame of democracy requires vigilance"?
These are all lofty ideals. Overturning citizens united. Getting money out of politics. It seems to me however, as soon as a candidate lacking in charm or popularity shows up, the whole system back tracks because no one wants to vote for a boring candidate.
I hated Kamala. She was the most establishment dem you could get. You'd think a sassy black woman would have some kind of charisma or anything really. She sounded like a corporate android programmed by Hillary herself. Her policies were boring and uninspiring. She failed her messaging so bad. I still voted but I understand why those who didn't didn't. But if that's all it takes to revert the clock a hundred years then it's over.
We're fucked.
Americans had a Trump term already. And they collectively - those who voted and those who didn't said: "sure. Let's do that again. Why not."
Democracy is dead.
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Liberals and progressives staying home wouldn't matter if the democratic party appealed to the working class as a whole instead.
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