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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey hey these two things aren't mutually exclusive!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

True and acceptable, however I don't feel patriotic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't either in the typical "my country is the best" way, more like "my country is democratic and that's why it's good (also use your influence to make democracy more commonplace pls)".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You just defined nationalism ("my country is better, fuck the others") vs. patriotism ("I love my country and will defend its values")

And if they're both rotten, well there's always a common enemy.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't hate all Americans, I've met some really cool ones over the years. But I do hate its fake democracy, its vulgar, parasitic oligarchs, its deceitful propaganda networks and the lust for war and global domination that drenches all three.

[–] UnrepententProcrastinator 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

American exceptionalism is basically a circle-jerk.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm an American,and I boycott US products because they're shit quality.

[–] ILikeBoobies 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Before all this we used to say “Chinese quality, German price”

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

That's the most accurate description that I have ever heard.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

Anti-imperialism would make more sense. The US is not the only asshole... (Edit: Just the current worst one.)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

When it comes to contemporary imperialist assholery the US is #1 by far. Since after WW2 they've been nothing but shitting on humanity, between the CIA installing puppet dictators to wars (open and secret) killing tens of millions. The list of countries they have fucked with is too long to post here.

And now their former closest allies are annexation targets.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You boycot american products because you think you are american.

I don't because America is a continent not a single country.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This. I’ve gotten some pushback on it, but I believe the US shouldn’t own the term “American”. I say that as a US American.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

They don't "own" anything. In multiple languages another correct way to name them is the equivalent of Unitedstadian, this is true for French and Spanish.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Hi, nice to meet you. Where are you from? America. Oh, like Mexico or Chile?

It's always fun to see their faces :)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Seems like something I'd come across in r/2westerneurope4you

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

I was feeling more "American that hates their government" vibes

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Not all are easy to boycott

US products > GitHub, Steam (Valve), Dropbox, Oracle, nVidia, Intel, IBM, eBay, Amazon, UPS, FedEx, Pepsi, CocaCola, Microsoft, Google, Pfitzer, Nike......., Which of these support Trump and needs to be avoided because of this? Not even FOSS is a Guarantee. Gimp, GNU Project, Mozilla.org, TOR, even a lot of Linux distros are from the US

Full list of US companies https://fortune.com/ranking/fortune500/?global500_y_n=true

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

apart from foss content in which you can simply pick the source code and compile on your machine, or fork or reverse engineer them, in some cases you can either p!rate it outright (hello, ms and riaa!) or have already well established alternatives in your country (sodas, online commerce platform).

either way, you're not taking down the u.s. by claiming ethical consumption. there's no such thing under capitalism. the best thing you can do is organize and take down the system that enables big companies that own us.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A lot of these are easy to boycott

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

You forgot AMD there. Intel alone would be super easy to avoid. But AMD is also based in the US. You kinda need either AMD or Intel if you want to own a useful computer. Or there's Apple Silicon, but that's still American. Qualcomm laptop offerings are not that great yet and guess what, it's also an American company.

This is all a lot harder to boycott than Coca Cola, Nike, etc. I can just buy local soft drinks and Adidas shoes. In fact I currently own Adidas shoes (I'm the kinda guy who buys one pair of shoes, wears the everloving fuck out of them, then buys another pair and the old pair gets used in the garage afterwards) and my clothes already come from European owned brands (that are probably made in Bangladesh or something, I don't buy a lot of expensive clothes). UPS and FedEx aren't hard to avoid either. Most of my shit gets delivered via Omniva, DHL or Itella.

The x86-64 CPU monopoly that the US has might honestly be the hardest American thing to avoid. The cloud monopoly is even bigger and we all tend to interact with it in one way or another, but most of us could host our own shit on Hetzner or OVH if needed, so at least no need to directly give them money.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

there is problems with the buy european movement as outlines in other comments here, but as an American: please continue boycotting us, the chances of our government changing for the better are slim, but every bit of protest matters.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Pro-Euro vs anti-US. The "buy European" movement is generally occupied by a mixture of genuine anti-US protestors, as well as various European nationalists. Kinda like how cottagecore got captured by the far-right, the lack of a cohesive line is leading to some groups pushing Euro-flavored fascism as an alternative to US-flavored fascism, as far right parties increasingly gain ground in the EU.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

I Boycott American products because I'm 3 'once-in-a-lifetime' recessions deep and cannot afford them

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Does this mean Europeans will also boycott goods that they steal from the 17 countries they still have colonized?

No? Oh.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah, good ole whataboutism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s not whataboutism when my entire ideology is anti-nationalism. You don’t get it, do you? I want all of the Western imperialist nations to collapse, including the European ones.

Your rhetoric is weak and outdated, still viewing the world through borders. You think Musk gives a fuck about borders? Grow up.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

3 of these 17 territories are colonies of the USA (American Samoa, Guam, Virgin Islands).

When it comes to Europe the extortion of former colonies might be the bigger problem (the Franc Zone or the ongoing exploitation of African ressources).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Right. But, I’m an American who strives to boycott goods produced by slave labor and/or colonization by my own government because I believe class solidarity transcends borders.

The BuyEuropean movement is largely nationalistic and uninterested in class solidarity. Don’t get me wrong, I think the entire world should be boycotting American goods. Let the empire collapse, please.

But, boycotting American goods while still exploiting the Global South for centuries is not a flex.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

You will never convince a majority of Western people of boycotting anything for a moral reason.

They boycott America because they finally feel threatened. Just take the W and let them boycott America.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You will never convince a majority of Western people of boycotting anything for a moral reason.

And they will probably stop boycotting when the America fascist-meter drop from 100% to the normal 88%

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As an American..

send help :(

[–] Franklin 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

why not both?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Test great success!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't want to see you flying your colonial-ass flag Canada, I want to see you supporting small, local, and indigenous owned businesses. Be pro-people, don't be pro-country.

[–] skisnow 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I’ve noticed a significant drop in people using the phrase “America bad” as a mocking jibe, since it no longer really works as a hyperbolic statement.

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