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The Trump administration accidentally sent a Salvadorian immigrant to a notorious Salvadorian prison and says it can’t do anything to get him back.

That’s even though the man had protected immigration status in the U.S., specifically barring him from being sent back to that country for fear of persecution.

On Monday, in a filing in Maryland federal court, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) admitted to mistakenly sending Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia to El Salvador’s notoriously brutal CECOT prison.

“On March 15, although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error,” the government wrote.

The admission came in a suit from Abrego Garcia’s family, who is seeking court orders barring the U.S. from paying El Salvador for the man’s detention and demanding that the federal government request the country return him to the United States.

The Trump administration argues that because the man is no longer in U.S. custody, a U.S. court lacks jurisdiction to issue orders regarding his detention and release. U.S. claims it can’t seek man’s freedom from notorious Salvadorian prison because it no longer has custody over him U.S. claims it can’t seek man’s freedom from notorious Salvadorian prison because it no longer has custody over him (AP)

Abrego Garcia came to the U.S. without inspection sometime around 2011 from El Salvador and settled in Maryland, fleeing from gangs in his home country who allegedly stalked, assaulted, and threatened to kill and kidnap him as part of extortion efforts, according to court documents.

In 2019, he was given a notice to appear in removal proceedings, where ICE accused him of being a member of the Salvadorian criminal gang MS-13.

His attorneys maintain he has no criminal record, ties to the gang, or relation to any criminal group. They claim the accusation rests on a flimsy gang arrest when he was targeted by police for little more than wearing Chicago Bulls-branded clothing while seeking work outside a Home Depot. (ICE maintains that a confidential informant told the agency the man was a member of MS-13.)

During the removal proceedings, Abrego Garcia applied for asylum and protection under the United Nations Convention Against Torture, and a judge granted him withholding from removal. The government did not appeal the decision.

The Maryland man, a union sheet metal working apprentice and father to a 5-year-old, remained in the U.S. and continued regular mandated check-ins with ICE, according to court documents, appearing most recently in January.

“Instead, the government put Mr. Abrego Garcia on a plane to El Salvador, seemingly without any pretense of a legal basis whatsoever,” his attorneys wrote in their suit, filed on Friday. “Once in El Salvador, that country’s government immediately placed Mr. Abrego Garcia into a torture center — one that the U.S. government is reportedly paying the government of El Salvador to operate. This grotesque display of power without law is abhorrent to our entire system of justice, and must not be allowed to stand.”


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[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Won't. Not can't, won't. This was done on purpose, a 1 way legal process where we have authority to say bye bye but then have 0 authority to undo that. It's skipping due process and courts to directly ship human beings en mass somewhere else. This wasn't an error, this is what will happen to gays, jews, democrats, literally anyone who isn't blonde christian and maga eventually. First it's "criminals" (this article proves it's not that) and anyone who looks brown enough. Tomorrow it's the next group maga is upset with (hint, it's everyone on earth who isn't maga)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder what "crimes" they'll pin on their next targets. This is crazy beyond belief.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

The same ones the Nazis used.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (6 children)

My understanding is that Trump's guys are arguing that the court has no authority to order them to return this guy, not that he can't be returned. In other words, now that he's out of the country, his situation is foreign policy rather than American legal proceedings.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed - I'm somewhat disappointed in the toned down language in the article - "accidentally" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that headline, and "can't get him back" should be "refuses to even try to get him back."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yea. If we had a proper president, we could get him back. Three step program.

1 Ask them to send him back.

2 Park a CBG off their coast, just inside their territorial waters.

3 Ask them to send him back, or else.

Might not be a great idea, in terms of ongoing international relations, but we would get our guy back.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think a court could reasonably order the government to threaten another country like that - a judge doesn't get to make such major foreign-policy decisions. My very basic understanding is that the government is saying that, according to this principle, a court can't order it to make any foreign policy decisions. (Otherwise who gets to decide what foreign-policy decisions is major?)

The government is clearly in the wrong here morally, and letting them do this would seem to authorize a lot of abhorrent behavior. (Can the government have anything they want done to you without recourse as long as they take you to a foreign country and pay that country's agents to do it?) Still, as a matter of legal principle this isn't entirely straightforward.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not seeing it as a court order. I'm directly addressing the claim that Trump can't do anything to get him back.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think that's a claim that the Trump administration is actually making, even though it's in the title of the article. Here's what the article quotes them saying:

“The individual in question is a member of the brutal MS-13 gang — we have intelligence reports that he is involved in human trafficking,” DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement to The Independent. “Whether he is in El Salvador or a detention facility in the U.S., he should be locked up. Remarkable that The Atlantic and other MSM continue to do the bidding of these vicious gangs and ignore their victims.”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree. I made the comment before I read the rest of the article.

Headline writers need to be flogged, or something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ah, then I don't think we disagree. Still, the CBG might be overkill when a simple phone call would have sufficed. After all, they don't want him. We're paying them to keep him.

Then again, since we're already threatening Canada and Greenland, maybe we should threaten El Salvador too? We can accuse them of imprisoning residents of other countries who were sent to them extralegally without a trial or any other sort of official procedure. It's unethical! They would be so confused.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh so you are saying Trump is too weak to deal with El Salvador

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

There are certain things that a court can't (Constitutionally) order you to do, like letting soldiers live in your house during peacetime. That's true even if you're alone in a huge mansion and housing those soldiers would be trivially easy for you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ICE Lawyer: He's out of our custody, there's nothing that can be done.

Judge: I order you to get the State Department involved and demand his return from El Salvador, or else I will hold you and your boss and your boss' boss in contempt.

Shouldn't that be the next step?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's not exactly ICE's argument. Their argument, as I understand it, is that the judge doesn't have the authority to order the feds to do that.

Consider a similar but more sympathetic example. The government accidentally releases information which reveals the identity of an American agent working in a foreign country, and that agent is arrested. The agent's family sues the government, arguing that the judge should order the government to carry out a prisoner exchange. The government says that revealing the agent's identity was a mistake, but now undoing that mistake would require negotiations with a foreign country and such negotiations are not something that a court can order the government to carry out. The government's argument in such a case would seem reasonable to me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

It’s funny how when the court blocks something Trump wants to do but here is can’t do anything.

Is Trump scared of El Salvador? He tried to bully Canada, Greenland, UK, Europe, and many more.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

We're paying for El Salvador to take these people, we can pay to get them out. This is the Trump admin basically boasting about violating the law and ruining lives.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

This only gets better if the guilty members of the government get locked up for contempt for ignoring the court's original order. Only then, especially if it gets Signalgate attention, may they start to cave. I realize it's unlikely, but it's not a 0% chance yet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

To be fair, they don't appear to actually know how anything works.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If America is going to be able to compete with chinas prices, they need their own sweatshops.

In USA it is already legal to force felons to work for free, and now they are expanding it to mean immigrants.

Guantanamo Bay was also just expanded from less than 1000 cells to more than 30.000.

It all paints a clear picture, like the Germans did, USA is placing their KZ camps outside of their own territory.

Torture, forced labor, human trials with stuff like neuralink implants, and murder is gonna be the norm there.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Whitehouse Press Secretary confirmed today that the error was clerical and the prisoner was an El Salvadoran national with confirmed membership in MS13 who illegally entered the country and isn't coming back to the states.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sauce? And proof?

Karoline "Lyin'" Leavitt ain't exactly a good source...


In 2022, Karoline Leavitt ran for the U.S. House of Representatives in New Hampshire's 1st district, ultimately losing to the incumbent congressman Chris Pappas. The election loss was, however, not the only setback Leavitt faced. That same year, Leavitt found herself in the middle of a campaign finance scandal. In November 2022, End Citizens United, a non-governmental campaign finance committee, accused Leavitt of illegally accepting donations that exceeded the stipulated limit and never repaid her donors. "Karoline Leavitt continues to prove she'll do whatever it takes to win this race, even if it means breaking the law," Tiffany Muller, president of End Citizens United, said at the time.

Three years later, Leavitt admitted to the violation after declaring that her failed campaign owed about $200,000 in refunds to donors who contributed over the legal limits. Leavitt's admission, however, was met with backlash from social media users who quickly reacted with criticism. "So @karolineleavitt stole the money. Campaign Funding is separate entities for a reason ... If she took the money from her campaign funds, then she embezzled it, she stole it, thats a crime. Lock. Her. Up." one person wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. "When will we as a country start holding these crooks accountable?" another person questioned.

Karoline Leavitt has made a few false claims as the White House press secretary

Since assuming office as the White House press secretary, Karoline Leavitt has faced backlash for making misleading claims. During her first official White House briefing on January 28, 2025, Leavitt alleged that the Trump administration had blocked the release of millions of dollars meant to fund condoms in war-stricken Gaza. "DOGE and OMB also found that there was about to be $50 million taxpayer dollars that went out the door to fund condoms in Gaza. That is a preposterous waste of taxpayer money. So that's what this pause is focused on, being good stewards of tax dollars," Leavitt said in the press conference while defending Donald Trump's freeze on federal grants.

Leavitt's comment has, however, been dismissed by several experts given the lack of evidence. "It seems clear to me there was no $50 million in condoms going to Gaza. That is, at best, a mischaracterization," Matthew Kavanagh, Director of Georgetown University's Center for Global Health Policy and Politics, told CNN. Similarly, Jeremy Konyndyk, president of Refugees International and a former USAID official described Leavitt's claim as "total garbage."

The irony of Leavitt spreading misinformation hasn't gone unnoticed, especially given her past warnings about holding the media accountable for misrepresenting the Trump administration. But perhaps this is a reminder that those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Here's the link. She's a spokeshole and only says what she's told to say. Fact check the claim if you want but I reject your genetic fallacy.