Feminism

A lot of the anti-feminism stuff aimed at young men are massive strawmans.

Back to blaming each other? Have you missed the billionaires buying up newspapers and supporting fascist political parties around the world?

Disagree. People would not have turned to the far right in the 2010s if we had done feminism better. Small changes in strategy would have gone a long way -- like being more welcoming to straight white men in the 4th wave feminist movement. In contrast, people turning to feminism at that same time was inevitable, since the status quo was (and is) racist, anti-feminist, and anti-lgbt.

This post is just an attempt to not own up to how the left could have been smarter and done better.

Imo, both can be true and both are true. It's a vicious cycle. In a general sense, women are tired of men and men are tired of women.

It's so obvious to everyone that far-right men are driving women to the left that it's not even worth mentioning in the midst of well adjusted, moderate people. It's a fact that normal people kind of just intrinsically know. Ask literally anyone who doesn't own a MAGA hat if they think far-right men are driving women to the left and they'll probably respond with something along the lines of "uhhh yeah... no fucking duh?"

Amongst well adjusted men, accepting responsibility for their role in social issues is the status quo. Every man I know who still has color in their hair puts a conscious effort toward avoiding problematic behavior and rectifying the issues their fathers and grandfathers perpetuated. There is universal acknowledgement of the situation at hand.

You know what I almost never see? I almost never see women acknowledge that they too play a part in this awful dynamic that affects all of us. Granted, in the past 2 years I have known women who acknowledge that the problem does indeed affect society as a whole. But never do I see an acknowledgement of mutual culpability. It's still always framed as something men are doing that they could stop at any moment if they choose.

I mentioned the status quo amongst normal people. The reason the idea that women are pushing men to the right triggers such a response is because this idea is in opposition to the status quo, and this has got to change because it is definitely true. Young men are tired of the callousness toward their very real issues, tired of being made to feel like villains, and they are eager to be in the company of people who value them.

I'm firmly left wing. Not nearly tankie level but much further than the average milquetoast socdem. I really truly do not feel welcome here. I'm here because I've developed strong opinions that persist IN SPITE of how unwelcome I feel in leftism, feminism, and progressivism in general. Young men who are freshly sentient and just starting to form opinions will absolutely be swayed by the emotions they are made to feel when interacting with more opinionated people.

I know that most people will not read more than the first quarter of this message without writing me off as right wing or saying "oh boo hoo poor men nobody cares" or it will be assumed that I'm writing this to inflame. I'm not. I'm writing this because I love people so fucking much and it breaks my heart on a daily basis to see this rift growing larger and larger more and more rapidly. Every individual of every gender is at fault here. Our society is deeply sick. We need to escape our echo chambers and have some real talk. Trying to weigh who is more evil and who is more good is futile, useless, and only serves as a distraction from our healing. Please get it straight: We all fucking suck. The only thing we can do now is try to understand each other and foster real compassion. Posting snide tweets offers temporary relief but it helps nothing.

Young men are turning to alt right because young need have no role models or support systems.

Do we actually know which version is correct though?

well i used to believe that feminism would actually improve the living conditions of women. now i'm not so sure anymore.

partially that is because of the economic outlook. i have a bad view of the economy in the next 10+ years and deeply believe in a recession. (not because of what Trump is doing, i already held that stance before). women in employment is a phenomenon of the last 55 years, really, starting in 1970, not because women finally liberated themselves, but because the economy (i.e. big companies) launched a psyops to manipulate women to work, because that increases the number of available workers, and by the principle of the market a higher supply in workers leads to falling prices (wages) for human labor. i have that view because i'm disillusioned how much stuff happens in the US purely or mostly because of the economy's meddling with things.

i mean, they overthrew governments to get cheaper fucking bananas. who says they wouldn't launch a few "women's magazines" and radio interviews to incite women to go to work?