How do you go into making a multi billion dollar franchise extending trilogy and have absolutely no plan for how your trilogy should play out?
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Tbf when you live in absolute 5th world poverty the clothes can vary minimally.
What a disappointing series that was.
Still beat GoT marginally :)
The cycle goes: Star Wars is for kids and when they grow up they're going to hate the Star Wars their kids are watching. I'm old enough to have seen the entire cycle with the prequels.
And btw, The best trilogy is Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back, and The Last Jedi.
The difference between the prequels and the sequels is that while a bit cheesy and having some cringe/dogshit dialogue in places the prequels have a solid storyline an arc.
The sequels are just shit with only the Last Jedi trying to do anything, then when they made episode 9 they tried to backpedal and made a completely unwatchable piece of shit that makes no sense
Fight choreography for the prequels saves it a lot.
I also argue the world building alone makes them worth it. While the dialogue and plot had some issues, all the new worlds/aliens/the actual sith/etc. heralded in a new age for star wars.
The world in the sequel trilogy is so small in comparison to either of the other trilogys.
Revenge of the Sith has the best and most gratuitous action in the entire mainline series.
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Who ever hated the original films?
The amount of slop disney puts out and the fans peddle and push into every damn game and internet space is making me slowly dislike them too.
Star wars is inescapable and it is exhausting.
More than I realized. As a kid, my favorite of the original trilogy was ROTJ. It had everything - an opening where the heroes got vengeance on a big slug, there was a dramatic-looking Death Star, speeder bikes, and force lightning.
My father told me (years later), how much some folks hated it for some of the same things. Rehashing the Death Star, Han accidentally killing Boba Fett (this hyped up bounty hunter that in the previous movie was clever and even mouthed off to Vader himself), Ewoks being cuddly teddy bears with janky traps, Leia being yet another Skywalker out of nowhere...basically, a lot of the same goofy shit people railed on George for in the prequels (myself included: since these conversations with my dad came up because I was a teenager complaining about Jar Jar, Yoda ping ponging around, etc.).
Later I saw that plenty of folks complained about ESB being moodier, the "No, I am your father" being a twist out of nowhere and dramatically undermining Obi-Wan's character by his being dishonest. Some of the same "canon-breaking" retcons that we all complain about today.
Granted...I still love ROTJ despite its flaws, and while I never enjoyed the prequels as much as a lot of folks, I find them endearing in an odd kind of way. The Sequel Trilogy less so, but there's a few bright spots.
Basically, I wonder what the reception of the movies would have been if we had the internet then, and especially if we had engagement-based algorithms driving things, which does such a great job of amplifying hate.
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On social media you can find somebody who hates anything... even kittens, especially the fluffy ones.
Star Wars is a long cycle of really really really cool concepts and really really really shit execution of putting those concepts on screen. People have disliked pretty much every iteration of SW for some reason or another, and it's usually defensible. Boils down to suspension of disbelief and 'to each their own'
I grew up kinda between the originals and prequels, and often found the originals were paced too slow and the whole ewok thing stood out as stupid as fuck even to my 8-ish year old brain; but there was more to like than dislike, so I was fan overall.
Then the prequels come out. Jar Jar used to be what killed it for me, but then the 'darth' Jar Jar fan theory came out, and if you watch his character through that lens it's not quite as bad. I'm 100% sold on that being the original intent with Jar Jar, but then they backed off after so many people fucking hated him in Ep1, and just left him alone as a bumbling idiot and nothing more.
Then the sequels came out and the writing was absolute shit. SW followed that trend for a while, kinda felt like the franchise was dead in the water, existing only as a cash grab... until Rogue One came out, and then Andor, which are both fucking masterpieces.
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Hate might be too strong of a word but I remember how 12-year-old-me found them hard to watch because their special effects looked dated in comparison to the prequels'.
I personally find the effects from the original trilogy easier to still watch today than the effects in the prequels.
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I watched the OT as a kid... and then watched the Prequels as a few years older kid...
And I thought the prequels were inferior to the OT, and even to many OT/EU based video games that were released before or in the same timeframe as the prequels.
And then the Sequel trilogy was an utter trainwreck, along with pretty much most of the Disney+ shows.
Rogue One was decent?
Mando S1 and S2 were good (very obviously a serial spaghetti western type show, but executed well untill S3) Andor is great, everything else bad or so uninteresting I haven't even bothered.
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I liked the original Star Wars when I was like 10. I was older when the 2nd one came out and that was ok-ish. I was in my teens when the teddy bear Star Wars movie came out and I thought that was the dumbest fucking shit ever.
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Also bringing you hits like: "Somehow, Palpatine returned..." and "Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?"
Don’t forget, “if you don’t play Fortnite, you’re going to miss important exposition”.
I'm going to need some help with this one...
Long story short, before rise of Skywalker there was a Fortnite event that featured emperor Palpatine sending a message to the universe that he was back. It never happened in the movies. Rise of Skywalker’s opening scrolling text talks about this message from Palpatine. It was all just a crummy afterthought.
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Awful series of movies, watched them once and that was enough for me
Agreed and same. Only way people got me to watch it again was commentary folks ripping on it for being so bad.
The Last Jedi was super cool though. It was truly the last Jedi i ever saw, well the last Star Wars content basically.
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Or they show that short hair isn't unusual for action-oriented characters, and simple beige clothes are super common in Star Wars.
You get all the adults now who like the prequels even though they’re terrible because it’s what they grew up with, so of course that means now we’re getting a generation for whom the Rey trilogy is their Star Wars.
You get all the adults now who like the prequels even though they’re terrible
The prequels had the core of a good story, alongside some very bad direction and post-production decisions.
The Fall of the Republic as this merchantile skirmish that grows out of control, the Jedi as a schloratic band of liberals who have had their orthodoxy exploited, and the Republic itself as an engine of immiseration that ultimately needed to fail in order to pave the way for something better are all themes it is easy to sympathize with in the modern moment.
Yeah, the CGI was clumsy, the dialogue was stiff, and the comedy asides were cringe. But the lore was strong. It gave birth to a second renaissance in the Extended Universe.
The Sequels simply did not have any of that storytelling and world building. What wasn't blatantly ripped off from the OS was sloppily presented, resolved, retconned, and then ignored. The Sequels pillaged the EU for material that was wasted almost as quickly as it was revealed. And this, when Timothy Zahn had already written some of the best sequel material 30 years earlier.
The Sequels won't be anyone's Star Wars, because it was slop. Rogue One, The Mandelorian, The Clone Wars TV Show, the Star Wars anime spin-offs - these are what will endure.
The lore was terrible. Anakin Skywalker is the biggest Mary Sue of all time. Lucas thought it would be more emotional to show a child being taken away from his mother, so suddenly the Jedi go around the galaxy doing blood tests and taking children from their mothers. In the next one, he wanted a Romeo and Juliet plotline so suddenly the Jedi are celibate monks.
Because there was criticism after Episode I about Naboo being a monarchy, Lucas made it so Naboo elected 15 year old children to run their planet. That's some great world building!
Padme went from have a successful career of running a planet (at 15 years old) to being a Senator, but decides to become a tradwife because I guess she was impressed by Anakin's pro-fascist veiws and how he massacred a bunch of people?
The Jedi went from being knights the were guardians of peace and justice to a fucked up cult that abducts children to train them to fight in some holy war. Not too different from the First Order in the ST, because that kind of shit is what villains do.
The Prequels didn't explain shit about what was going on, there was a Trade Federation that was blockading trade, then there was separatist group that for some reason the Republic wouldn't just let separate. Better clone up some more slaves to send into the meatgrinder to destroy these separatists!
The Jedi and the Republic actually were evil when you think about implications of indoctrinating children to fight in holy wars and using clones that had no choice other than to be cannon fodder in whatever war they're told to fight in. But those are things you're just not supposed to think about because it's a children's movie... but with a school massacre.
The Prequels were accidentally pro-fascist movies. The Sequel Trilogy (at least the ones made by JJ Abrams) actually went into the emotional reasons why people are drawn to fascism (which is way more relevant to the audience than fictional politcal machinations) and has the main character reject it. The message that fascism is bad and should be opposed wasn't received all that well by people that grew up thinking indoctrinating children was something the good guys do. It bothered people that there was a message that ancestry doesn't determine who you are. It bothered people that there was a massive proliferation of super weapons in Star Wars paralleling the proliferation of nuclear weapons in our world.
The Sequel Trilogy brought up many things that are uncomfortable to think about and Prequel fans were upset by them. It was better when Star Wars was about cool clone troopers (slaves) being led into battle by the cool "sky guy" (who committed genocide) fighting the "bad guys" because they don't like the awesome religious cult that indoctrinates children to fight in wars! That's what Star Wars is supposed to be!
The Jedi went from being knights the were guardians of peace and justice to a fucked up cult that abducts children to train them to fight in some holy war.
The Jedi were going to lose. They needed character flaws the Sith could exploit to explain their defeat.
Rather than these venerable and unimpeachable sages, they ended up being all too human - prone to the same fear and gullibility that has brought down any number of IRL civilizations.
The Prequels were accidentally pro-fascist movies.
Which makes sense, as they were a prelude to the Empire.
The Sequel Trilogy (at least the ones made by JJ Abrams) actually went into the emotional reasons why people are drawn to fascism
No they didn't. They flirted with the idea, but gave up halfway through the first act of the Ep 7.
Then they ran of to make a shot for shot remake of New Hope, because Disney only knows how to plagiarize better material.
The EU material was beautiful steak, and then they let RJ and JJ slop em up. I mean it was fun watching Luke die himself to death at Maskopher, but at the same time you know what he could have done? Something like how how in rotj yoda dies by too many questions? and then yoda sits there as a force ghost and says "ha! see how now it feels you do hoo hoo hoo hoo" and then scampers off into the force aether like a gremlin. that's what they should have done.
i mean i guess it's easy to backseat editing room now, but pretty much anything feels better.
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I hate it when child versions of a character have the exact same hairstyle.
It's cinematography shorthand to help the audience understand they're the same person without exposition.
Otherwise half the theater would be whispering to the other half, "Who was that kid they kept showing earlier?"
Remember that half of the population is below 100 IQ and producers want them to buy tickets.
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