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[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Given that both of Toshiba's rivals readily offer their highest capacity products in Europe, it is hard to imagine that there is no demand for 24TB NAS-oriented HDDs in the region.

I don't look to buy Toshiba drives anyway, so moving on...

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hopefully your alternative isn't Seagate.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

and not WD either

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why is Seagate a problem in your opinion? I've been looking for NAS and it seems I'm still uneducated in that department.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Same reason the next person after them will say the same for WD, the next one Toshiba, the next one Hitachi.

Bad experiences sour your perception of a brand.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

i would base my judging on backblaze spreadsheet, google it, its a cool site. i dont care about HDDs anymore, but Seagate there always has high failure rates.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks for your comment, fair point!

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In my case, because I watched that Louis Rossmann video where he said he basically has a business today because of all the failures of Seagate drives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFscU8JUohA

There's a benchmark, and Seagate is above all other brands on failure rate.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

A good resource I've found is Backblaze's drive statistics reports, as they report on failure rates and issues for all of their drives by specific model: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/category/cloud-storage/hard-drive-stats/

All manufacturers can and sometimes do make trash drives, and Seagate have a number of specific models that have very low fail rates. That said, they also have a larger number of drives with high failure rates than other manufacturers. Regardless, always research the specific drive model you are considering before purchasing to avoid surprises later.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the link!

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In my circles the unreliability of a Seagate Barracuda is a meme.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yea ok, that says it all :D

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I've run a few of those for years without any issues!

[โ€“] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would you not want to sell things to people? I mean isn't Toshiba a Japanese company? I understand why the Chinese are like that, but Toshiba?

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because they're not buying them. This is nothing more than statistical observation and some asshole is reporting it technically accurate but failure to fully describe the subject in hand. Thus portraying it as some kind of personal shit chosen by the opposite relevancy instead of the fact that they just don't sell shit to people who don't buy shit.

If you had any difficulty reading what I wrote then you should have a good picture of exactly what the fuck I'm talking about.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Keeping an eye on the 20TB+ pool. The 24TB Seagate (model ST24000NM002H) no longer has a perfect record, with eight failures for the quarter. Still, the drives put up a respectable 1.11% AFR. Meanwhile, the 20TB+ drives as a pool are averaging a 0.72% AFR, coming in lower than the overall failure ratesโ€”always a promising sign.

I have no trouble buying Seagate Exos, their stats look good so far.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Would you recommend Seagate? I've been trying to find out which NAS to buy and I have trouble doing so.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you browse Backblaze statistics you will find that all brands are reliable nowadays. At least if you go for the datacentre brands (such as Seagate Exos).

Regarding NAS I historically enjoyed Synology but they're currently aiming to start forcing you to pay 2x the normal amount to use their own branded drives.
Personally I built a Debian m-itx server for my fileserver (and other server) needs.

edit: 2024 stats

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the resources and info, good to know :)

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

About 6 drives in my NAS are Seagate, but they are specifically models I found Backblaze reported as reliable. I wouldn't have an issue recommending a good, new Seagate drive, as long as it has an acceptably low failure rate.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Thanks for commenting, 6 drives is definitely a good sign!

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

.... Let the free market decide? Wth ๐Ÿคจ

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Toshiba drives are trash anyway.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Toshiba may also attempt to ship as many high-end HDDs to its American stock as possible before country-specific tariffs kick in this July to grab some extra market share.

Interesting. So prices and availability might change dramatically worldwide in/after July.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Meaning I sould wait until July to buy new stuff when I dont live in the states or America generally?

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I find 22T to be perfect. When formatted it is just a little over 20T making a satisfying total size round number.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not formatting losses. It's different units.

22TB = 20.009 TiB

Long ago, storage manufacturers stopped selling their drives in sizes based on powers of two, and started using powers of ten because it makes the drives sound larger.

The argument was that SI prefixes denote power of ten and so therefore it was a correction despite decades of computing history using powers of 2 for storage. As a result the KiB, MiB, GiB, etc were brought in to denote power of two based sizes.

Note that 64GB of RAM is still 64ร—2ยณโฐ bytes of RAM which kinda blows that argument out of the water.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Iso recognizes with no i as base 2 for all memory including hdd. You can also put a disclaimer that the stupid unit with an i is actually in based 10 in the EU and U.S.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Iโ€™m legitimately a weirdo and only like my drive capacities to be in base 2; 2TB > 4 TB > 8TB > 16TBโ€ฆ I god I be waiting a long time before my next wholesale NAS upgrade!

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Oh yes I know this feeling. Even building new VM template it was always a ^2 disk size.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

That's not up to Toshitba to decide.