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In other places on around the web, (chiefly /r/RedditAlternatives) whenever Lemmy is brought up, invariably I see the exact same complaints from brand new accounts.

Lemmy is too complicated, it wont gain traction, can't figure out how to use it, can't log in, etc.

Now, I'm definitely more tech savvy than the average redditor, but I just don't see the complaints. You can go to any Lemmy site, instantly start doomscrolling with a familiar UI, and sign up on all the instances I've tried has been frankly more simple than making a new reddit account. The only real complaint I have is the generally smaller volume of users and posts.

My only thought here is the words like federation and instances getting people hung up. Maybe join-lemmy.org being a highly ranked site is doing more harm than good by creating an additional barrier to the instances and content.

Ideally, the first link someone sees when googling Lemmy would be a global feed on a fairly generic instance, with a basic tagline akin to 'front page of the internet.' End users don't need to care about the technical details, at least not until they're interested in the platform.

So is this "Lemmy is too confusing" sentiment even real? And if not, what motive would there be to astroturf this?

If it is a real issue affecting would-be users, how can we address it?

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[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

When I first signed up here, or tried to sign up here, join-lemmy just didn't want to load anything. So I ended up going to bed and trying again the next morning. The next morning, it finally loaded the list of instances and going by the experience I had just had with the website battling to even load anything, I chose an instance advertised as "join here to reduce load on larger instances". And this instance just didn't want to load anything properly. Half of the images in posts just weren't showing up. And when I searched LGBTQ+ and feminist communities, only dead communities showed up and I'm pretty sure nothing from Blรฅhaj.

Then I went to world and still found it to be a ghost town. Eventually I realised that it was because 'English' wasn't selected in my language settings. Because I didn't realise that you have to ctrl click to select both 'undefined' and 'English'. I've used software where you have to ctrl click but I'm not sure I've ever come across another website where this is the case. And on this note, the whole fact that 'undefined' even exists as an option comes across as bush league and makes it look like a beta version.

Then there's another issue here. The god damn internal politics. So someone signs up on the insurance that says "focused on programming and development", then have everyone calling them a tankie or be cut off from multiple instances that have de-federated. It's clear to me now that 'ml' stands for "Marxist Leninist" but when you're new here and just looking at descriptions in join-lemmy, it just looks like a unique url like all the others.

Personally I think there's a lot of reasons that people would give up trying to get started here. That's before even trying to break them ice with a silly question in AskLemmy and getting snarky snark and smart asses in the replies. And I use that as an example because in my first week here, I saw someone post an innocent question in AskLemmy, get hostility as a response, then leave.

[โ€“] Rentlar 4 points 1 day ago

The English + Undefined issue is indeed a nasty issue that makes half of the content disappear for a reason that's not easy to figure out. It really should be a separate checkbox of whether to show or hide posts where the language is not labelled. I do think that Undefined is selected by default now, but might still get unselected if the language setting is clicked and changed.

For those people saying "Ctrl+Click, should be obvious", that won't work at all on mobile web UI.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

There are language settings? I signed up through the voyager app and I didn't see any language settings, is that why I can't see anything other laguages?

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I've used software where you have to ctrl click but I'm not sure I've ever come across another website where this is the case

This is the standard behaviour on the web for lists where you can select multiple options. See the example here for instance: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Elements/select#advanced_select_with_multiple_features

Most sites have a custom version though, since the built-in HTML element has such a poor user experience. I really wish browsers would just switch it to be a list with checkboxes.

The behaviour was based on Windows desktop apps in the 90s (where this behaviour was way more common), but after a while, most things switched to checkbox lists instead.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The behaviour was based on Windows desktop apps in the 90s

Ah, so that's why it was chosen as the default here.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah I don't think the multi-select listboxes have really changed much since the days of Internet Explorer 3 and Netscape Navigator. Out of all the standard form components you can use in HTML, it's probably the one most in need of improvements.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I just want to see what the OP is talking about without having to browse reddit myself.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How dare someone ask for something like... facts and evidence.

My anti-lemmy sentiment comes from raw experience like dumbfuck comments and witnessing the extent of ACAB brainrot.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Okay, well you know where the exit is.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How is a person supposed to know which instance to choose before knowing what each instance is even about? Or what an instance even is. The barrier to creating an account is too high.

If there was an account migration option it would be possible to throw users into a random instance which federates with everyone and later let them migrate with their account age and post history.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They're not. One can join any instance they like. But its like "what brand of toilet paper is someone to buy when they move out?" Thats for you to figure out. Ask someone, try a couple and settle for what helps you most.

That said, account migration would be nice although the possible issues are pretty brutal. An account is mostly a bunch of posts, comments and subscriptions. Reposting them would be fatal, relinking them would be dangerous. Only the subscriptions would be easy to move and i think that exists already.

I see your point. But imo its technically not really feasible.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

No there are activation periods as well. Mods have to approve your account. You can't just jump in and get to know the place. There are so many different barriers to entry. And this is for people not even knowing whether Lemmy is a good place to go.

Maybe a LemmyAnon "tutorial" instance to dump all the users with no verification and let them get to know Lemmy before choosing an instance?

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

A single activation period for the account is honestly way better than what Reddit has where you're not allowed to post in a ton of large subreddits because you don't have enough karma when your account is created.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But people cannot sign in to the account while awaiting activation. This is a turnoff because people will leave and not come back when their account is activated.

A better option would be letting them sign in but only giving them comment/posting rights when their application gets approved.

[โ€“] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The fediverse is too complicated which I said in detail on my post on c/fediverse currently its a mess each domain has hundreds of different sites that aren't interconnected and where you need to create a new account on each. If Lemmy had a front page like reddit and allowed for all its smaller communities to be coded and personalized to be completely different while allowing the top 25 posts every 24 hours to pop up and allowing a place to search for a specific community. We could still allow an approval process for specific communities but reddit would fall in months with how mods at reddit currently behave

[โ€“] Rentlar 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tip for you since it sounds you are genuinely trying it out but are running into issues: you can post and comment on outside Lemmy communities without creating a different account for the most part. Just navigate to lemmy.world/c/[community name]@[other site domain]. Example: https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] means you can interact with the community on mander.xyz while staying on your lemmy.world account.

A Lemmy server agnostic link can be made in the form of ![community name]@[other site domain]. Example: [email protected], or [email protected] to help people from anywhere on lemmy to link to c/fediverse.

There's still a lot of gaps like official methods to redirect post and comment links to your instance (I heard it was coming soon) It is indeed behind Reddit in a lot of technical and social aspects, but I think it's not completely a bad thing.

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