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[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago

Now that people think Musk is a Nazi because of a gesture, electric cars aren't the solution anymore.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

As long as a majority of Americans live in suburban areas, car dependency will continue.

[–] Showroom7561 21 points 1 day ago (27 children)

If suburbs were developed to be people-centric, you really wouldn't need a car for 99% of your daily tasks. Most trips by car are very short, and can very easily be replaced by non-car modes of transportation.

The argument I usually hear from car-brains is that we have to pRoTeCt RuRaL cAr DrIvErs.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's not even true. E-bikes solve the low density suburb problem. You just need to actually build out appropriate bike lanes and trails. Suburban neighborhoods aren't unfixable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many millions of Americans spend at least an hour commuting to and from work every day. I don't think they're going to want to do that on an e-bike.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Your vision is too small. What do you think the biggest problem is for deploying transit to suburbs? The last mile problem. You can have a train to the suburbs, but people still then need to drive from the train station to their home. With an e-bike, that solves this problem.

Sure, you can cite some hypermiler that commutes 2 hours across rural land between cities, but now you're just masturbating to edge cases, the equivalent of someone that justifies buying a giant truck because they move a couch once a year.

E-bikes solve the last mile problem of transit. Look at how trains and bikes actually work in countries like the Netherlands. People tend to bike to the train station, ride the train, then take a bike to their destination. With an e-bike, your train stops only needs to be within a couple of miles of both your start and destination. E-bikes make solve the problem of the incompatibility of low-density suburbs and transit.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

True dat. I remember how quick they were to start criticizing remote work. Saying how it isn't fair to the office building owners when people work from home. Less traffic & congestion was probably one of the few upsides of the pandemic to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Think tanks say that constantly, what are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

chinas BYD wouldve destroyed the OVERPRICED ev companies of the us, wish it did.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Tariffs from both Trump 1.0 (~30%), Biden (~100%), and Trump 2.0 (~169%) mean that BYD will never come to the US. An EV from them is ~$30,000 compared to the ~$70,000 they are here. But the US government wants to coddle the oil & gas people while also making it seem like it's trying to support American exceptionalism.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The money wasted in electric car subsidies is much better spent on mass transit and cycling and pedestrianization initiatives, all of which move far more people at much less cost per person. Electric cars are being posited as the solution (as opposed to drastically improved mass transit) because that's the only way auto companies can stay relevant and maintain their supremacy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also we should be looking to reduce car use because car infrastructure is incredibly expensive and environmentally destructive.

Electric cars still need ashphault, make tire dust, require salted roads. Roads will still have surface water run off contaminated and artificially heated damaging natural water ways. Roads will need to be repaved more often due to EVs weighing more.

By the end of day, we are barely getting ahead environmentally with EVs if at all. Some EVs like an electric hummer will generate more carbon through their lifecycle (production, use, and disposal) than an ICE compact car.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (7 children)

So what do you suggest? No cars allowed at all? Even in European countries with strong public transportation cars are still useful and allowed (except in crowded city areas). It's hard to imagine life out in the boonies without access to a car...

I think we should pursue better public transportation primarily, but I also think efforts to make electric vehicles better are an important piece of the puzzle to transporting ourselves sustainably.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

thanks, henry. your horrible ideas still echo throughout history to this day. elon's taking notes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Not practical to have zero cars. Residential areas aren’t set up for it. How you going to get your shopping in with 2 kids when it’s pissing of rain like it is 70% of the time here in Scotland.

Priority should be public transport with cheap public autonomous taxis that can drive 24/7 and unclutter the streets.

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