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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's no wonder they suck at "converting" people, they know nothing about how socialism works. Nevermind the fact that they see it as "converting" rather than just having an open discussion, I can almost guarantee these people will immediately swing around the "no actually soviet union was based" or "nono you dont understand, china was mega based they needed to starve out the population" in a discussion once they lose their patience. If you ever get a chance to talk to these people irl, try to have a convo about a stateless society. I can speak from personal experience, when you bring that up, their mind goes blank, and they will start to sound less like a communist and more like a right-winger.

These are the people that give socialism a bad rep.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

For them “socialism” is binary. Either it’s rampant authoritarian dystopia or modern capitalism.

They reject nuance and the varying levels of social policy that can be applied even to capitalist styles of governing.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The thing is that it’s not even really “socialism” that the Chinese guy is is complaining about here. He’s complaining about the authoritarian aspects of the Mainland Chinese government, which is not the same as socialism. And the fact that the tankie can’t understand that is just… I don’t even know what to do with it at this point.

[–] nova_ad_vitum 24 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The CCP's authoritarianism stems in part from their attempt to implement the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. The concept itself is pretty weird.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (3 children)

But it was never that, from the instant Mao gained any real hold on power in China. He subsumed the entire movement, and fundamentally corrupted it, in much the same way that Stalin did.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

you gotta understand something about tankies: they think that's a good thing

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Oh, I know. It’s why I tilt at their windmills: to provide the counterpoint, in hopes that more susceptible people will see more than just the dogmatic Socialist Alternative hardliner viewpoint. Genuinely, I think those types do far more damage than they understand, especially in well-educated-median populaces such as Boston, when they bring their fucking Mao + Stalin silk screened Soviet flags to literally any fucking rally. If it pisses me off, as a person who’s very socialist and leaning even more so by the second, then I’m sure it’s alienating FAR more people than it’s calling to the banner.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Notably, the dictatorship of the proletariat isn't meant to be an actual dictatorship. Marx saw feudalism as the dictatorship of the aristocracy, capitalism as the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, so by analogy socialism (or the prelude to it, at least) would be the dictatorship of the proletariat—rule by the people for the people. It's not meant to be a dictatorship in the way we use that term today.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The dictatorship of the proletariat is just democracy. It's just the people getting to govern themselves instead of a select Elite few. There's really nothing weird about it, the weird thing is thinking that a small closed-knit group of authoritarian Elites can ever implement the dictatorship of the proletariat because by definition they are not the proletariat.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

I cheerfully install kitchen cabinets made by cheerful Vietnamese communists and then I tell the homeowners that they have helped to support a Marxist regime that was once oppressed by capitalist Americans.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 5 days ago (5 children)

the region where Hong Kong is

Can't even just say Hong Kong? Does that make us sound too independent or what?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

It is kind of sad since Hong Kong hasn't really been independent for years

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Mentioning Hong Kong means that China is weak

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (44 children)

An actually communist society where everybody has equal influence would be a direct democracy.

Authoritarianism is the enemy of the communist utopia the creators of the ideology dreamed about.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Communism has the same problems as the Free Market.

It doesn't prevent selfish people from fucking it up completely for everyone else.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The tankie would easily be able to convince their friend if they said China is never going to convert to communism, but communism was tried by lots of indigenous tribes and it worked great.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tankie is not an anarchist....

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Well there's the problem!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (27 children)

I wonder why extremists hate liberals so much. They all talk of liberals with such disdain.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Liberals are capitalists first and foremost. Profit over human rights every time.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't like how they go around trying to convert people. They are honestly a lot like evangelicals.

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