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Sometimes I can't tell whether a question here is genuine and the author is interested in the answers, or whether they just copy-paste something to keep people busy. How am I supposed to approach that?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I have a policy that I tend to follow. Mind you, it's policy, not dogma, there's exceptions and I'm not obligated to do shit.

But I come at every question with a few things in mind, if I intend to answer.

The one that's relevant here is that it doesn't matter if OP is trolling, reposting, posting bot generated questions, or is a bot themselves. Very little matters beyond whether or not I can say something.

Doesn't have to be useful, though I hope it would rise to entertaining or humorous.

Why? Because fuck OP. It ain't about them. It's about the community. OP could be an llm bot, but other humans are scrolling by. Maybe one of those gets a laugh, or finds something helpful, or whatever.

If OP happens to be a human asking a real question, even better! But it isn't necessary to be a contribution to the community.

There's trolls on lemmy that are known to fuck around, and I'll still respond to their posts if there's a point. Who cares if they're seeking some specific response or whatever? I don't, I care about spending some time writing stuff and reading stuff.

I'm fine with posts that are "busy work". The comment section is where all of the threadiverse really shines anyway. Same as reddit used to be. So the post is there to drive community activity, that's a good thing.

Now fakey comments, that's where shit can just go away.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Maybe we come from different corners of the internet. I'm used to help people with their Linux questions and I take 15mins out of my day to write a helpful answer, and that adds up. And my wasted time is taken away from people with genuine questions.

I also like to discuss politics or random stuff. But I kind of do that because I'm interested and want to engage in a discussion with some substance to it, whatever that is. I want some human at the other end and hear their perspective. Not type something into the void. But I get you. Sometimes it works and other people come. Sometimes they don't. I just wish there was an obvious way to tell so I could balance that and not feel like I waste a good chunk of the time and all it's good for is some AI scrapers or some number.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Answer what you want; ignore what you want. I don’t bother worrying about people’s motivation for asking a question. I’m just grateful to have something to do when I’m bored. Like now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

What are your hobbies?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Hey Hendrik thanks for your comments! I like to make lemmy a nice place to hang out so I start threads. If you look at my post and comment history I do it a lot (I also have lazysoci.al and lemmyworld accounts). For this community I have a list of questions I add questions to when I think of them, the odd one I've got off reddit but I've NEVER copied one off lemmy for obvious reasons. I usually answer in comments but if I'm short of time I don't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks Hendrik the other comment chain seemed to vanish so I commented twice. How's your weekend going?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

LadyButterfly just showed up. Now it’s a party!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Oh heeeeyyyyy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have to make an approach?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Uhm, maybe my phrasing wasn't the best. I meant how do I deal with that?
I've left other places on the internet because I don't like bots and fabricated engagement. So sometimes I struggle here a bit as well. (In various communities and for different reasons.) I'd rather have genuine conversations with people who asked a question because they'd like to read my answer. Or if I can help them or contribute something... I'm not really sure if this is what we do here or not.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

even if the person who posted the starter thread isn't interested you can be assured that others opening the thread are at least a bit interested.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Thanks. I feel that's somehow part of the answer. But it still leaves a bad taste for me. Like I've been played. And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work. I'll take 3mins to write an answer and no one picks up on it or votes, so it feels like I wrote it for the void or a bot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

There are two main posters on this community.

@[email protected] usually answers in the comments, so I'm not sure why you have doubts about her being genuine

For @[email protected] , they usually show in the OP if the question is a repost from another ask community.

Does this help?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

Love you lots like jelly tots Blaze!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't want to call anyone out. I think it's great if they make it transparent to us that it is a repost. They could have skipped that. But what's the point? That person is never going to read the answers. And the posts are already on AskLemmy, so why duplicate random ones of them? (And some of the quoted posts I couldn't even find. Some are there and attributed correctly.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Hey Hendrik thanks for your comments! I like to make lemmy a nice place to hang out so I start threads. If you look at my post and comment history I do it a lot (I also have lazysoci.al and lemmyworld accounts). For this community I have a list of questions I add questions to when I think of them, the odd one I've got off reddit but I've NEVER copied one off lemmy for obvious reasons. I usually answer them, but sometimes if I'm short of time I don't.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes. Sorry, I didn't want to write down any names, so you were in the line. But I didn't mean you. I like your content. And you respond and engage a lot in the emerging discussions underneath. You're awesome 😊 And I can tell the questions and answers mean something to you. That's obvious. (And my comment is an opinion piece anyway. Maybe I'm wrong with all of this, that's why I asked.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Thankyou for commenting on my awesomeness! And it's an interesting question

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You can have a look at this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/47235271/19586923

I personally don't mind it as even if the original OP doesn't see the answers, it can still be an interesting discussion starter for other people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the link! I agree a lot with that OP's points. Those reposts feel a lot to me like I'm a dog and someone just half-heartedly threw a slice of cheese at my feet, expecting me to eat it. But maybe I wanted ham, idk. Plus they literally just scraped it off the floor in the kitchen and now it landed on the livingroom floor.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The other perspective is that some instances are problematic, and we should try to reduce their influence on the platform as a whole. To fight the network effect that older communities use to get more activity, there needs to be some crossposting done at some point.

Both perspectives are understandable, it's a matter of personal preference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I get that. But I think it mainly obscures the problem. And has negative side-effects. We could do something different here... Have lower frequency but higher quality posts.... Do it differently than LW. But we can't. We somehow need to import the cross-posts from a different place. Strip them of the comments and the person who the answers would matter to, and re-upload the same ones here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We've been trying to give an alternative to 3 very active communities:

While they are quite active, the .ml versions are still far more active (e.g. 6k MAU vs 3.7k MAU for [email protected] )

People just don't care enough to make the switch, or they prefer to post to the most active community.

It's an endless battle to try to fight network effect, and if people see that the established community with the most active users also has some content that the alternative doesn't get, there's just no way the alternative will ever succeed.

It's kind of similar to what Reddit is to Lemmy/Piefed as a whole. A lot of people crossposts content from Reddit, because to make Lemmy and Piefed potential alternatives, new joiners don't have to feel like they are missing out on content.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, maybe you're right and I'm the wrong person / have different needs. I'd rather take (for example) my news from a tech magazine, and use this place exclusively to talk to people and have discussions about things that matter to us. I have almost no fear of missing out when there isn't enough posts a day. Because I'm here for the comments. I rather they repost 5 posts less and write 15 comments to other people's posts instead. That'd grow the place in my opinion.

And I really strongly dislike it. Trying to make me engage with content to grow someone's platform or community, or use me and the users for some motivation is very close to what Reddit and other platforms do. And I've specifically left them for doing that. I get that this is meant to do good. But somehow it doesn't feel genuine to me. I don't get asked a question because someone would like to know my answer... I'm being used for another motive.

[–] Sunshine 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The goal is to make og posts sprinkled with some cross posts until the threadverse is bigger. I often find interesting articles on reddit first to share here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yes, your username is very recognizable as well. You also pull in a lot of posts. I have a bit of a mixed experience with that. Some I think are sh*t and I wish they had stayed on Reddit. Some are good and I appreciate them. I'm not really sure what to make of this. If you read the articles and curate them before re-posting, I think it's a good thing. With some of the posts I've interacted and some don't attract any engagement and don't start any discussions. I think those mainly add empty noise to this place. It's a bit mixed for me. (Edit: please don't feel offended or anything, this is just my opinion. Not necessarily correct and not set in stone.)

Edit: Btw since you're here: How do people who post a lot handle notifications or the comment section? Do you come back and engage at times, or are these posts more fire and forget? I genuinely don't know but I assume it'd be thousands of notifications if you had turned them on?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You're on Piefed, so thankfully when posts share the same link, the comments from all crossposts are showed in the same place, so that already helps with the duplication of communities.

That'd grow the place in my opinion.

Both are required I would say. You need someone to post the article or ask the first question, and you need other people to comment. As you said, you are here for the comments, but someone needs to create the post in the first place.

Trying to make me engage with content to grow someone's platform or community, or use me and the users for some motivation is very close to what Reddit and other platforms do.

The main difference is that here there's no single plaftorm. The communities that poster posts to are spread on LW, lemmy.dbzer0.com, lemdro.id, piefed.social, etc.

People can move communities to other instances if they want to. It's a quite different situation from Reddit. Nobody here is making any profit from interactions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

It's a quite different situation from Reddit. Nobody here is making any profit from interactions.

I know. Still it's engagement farming and posting under false pretenses. And that's my parallel to Reddit. A platform could be about the users and let them talk to each other in genuine conversations. Or there is some manipulation going on. Mixed with the users are other people who post for ulterior motives. And they even act differently than regular users. You usually won't get an answer from them in the comments. And they don't post a tech article because they read it and it seemed interesting to them, but because they pick more or less 10 things each day that seem about right and just post those. Obviously lowering the quality of the feed, since other people had been posting things which were somehow connected to them.

You need someone to post the article or ask the first question, and you need other people to comment. As you said, you are here for the comments, but someone needs to create the post in the first place.

I don't think that's my experience any more. My feed now has more things than I can read in a day. And I've even started unsubscribing from noisy communities. In reality I'm in desparate need for comments. I sometimes post 6 comments or so a day and sometimes I don't get a single reply. And then those places feel kind of empty. (empty of human conversation.) Yet what we do isn't adding more comments, but mainly dumping more of those posts, and that's somehow supposed to help.

And I don't think it does, really. Prime example is lemmit.online which pulls in lots of Reddit content. All with zero upvotes, zero comments. If you fall prey to that and comment, you just waste your time. No one is going to interact with you. Then we have the high frequency posters in the tech communities and it's mixed with them. Some articles are noise, get low engagement, have been posted 6h earlier, some are good. They're almost constantly lower quality though, than what other people post with a summary attached and it somehow has some soul and is not just random uninteresting news like in 500 other places.

And then we have places like this. the piefed.social communities have kind of all started strong. LadyButterfly's posts have long and nuanced threads under them with genuine conversation. And I'd love to do away with all the noise and read just that kind of thing. And I get nuanced answers on other piefed.social communities as well. But... now people say "Here, you need more content", come here with their garbage truck full of ideas and posts they picked up at other places and dump them over my head. Turning it effectively into the same thing as the other place.

And frankly speaking, I thing that drags it down. I've subscribed to all new communities because they were kind of higher quality. It wasn't as much posts, but good ones. Now they're augmented and I can tell the added ones have less interesting titles, less and shorter comments underneath. I think all the garbage truck approach does is even things out and adapt it to the same questionable quality as all the other communities.

And it changes the ratio and now I'm even more unlikely to get a reply once I comment underneath a news article. (It's a bit different with AskLemmy type stuff.)

(Please take what I say with a grain of salt, it's an opinion piece focused on negative things, so my words have an overly negative tone.)

But I really wish there were some communities that were less "enhanced" for growth, had low frequency but just high quality content, and lots of conversation. This is working against that in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

i would say to sTimulate activity and it works nicely!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

...

Block the user and move on with your day?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I thought about that, too. But it'd remove dozens of posts each day in various communities. Some of them good, with lots of genuine discussion underneath. I'd rather not lose that. And I'm not even sure if I'm right with my take on it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

This is some meta shit right here

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's funny because meta (Facebook) does this with their "ai" it goes into groups and poses random questions to generate engagement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Now all someone needs to do is ask "Is this a meta community" to do a triple meta!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

It'd be really meta if I had posted this to bait people into engagement... But I don't think I did. I'd like to know, so it's just meta on one level. 😅

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I was always under the impression that people made those posts because they wanted to announce to the world what they think the best of whatever thing it was, is, and why their opinion of said thing is the most correct. And that they didn’t really care what other people wrote after that in the comments. But that could just be my cynicism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Thanks, that's thoughtful. I definitely need to factor that in (more) when speculating about other people's motivations on the internet 😅 But yeah, I occasionally do it, too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Obviously to stimulate activity. Not a fan of it, but it works.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago