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Property developer and CEO Tim Gurner: "We need to see unemployment rise. Unemployment has to jump 40, 50 percent in my view. We need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around."

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[–] baggins 189 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We need to see guillotining of CEOs jump 40-50%.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Adding 40% to 0 is still 0 - we need to add, like, a million %.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

How about we start with one then try your idea

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 2 years ago

Counterpoint: maybe he needs to learn that he'd be nothing without the backs of the workers for him to stand on.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just want to clear the record and say that every business owner thinks this, it's just that this jackass has the stupidity to say it out loud. They don't want to pay more, which has become a necessity since the pandemic due to low unemployment rates. By having a larger labor pool, they can cut wages to take advantage of people's desperation.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is the "Millenials eat too much avocado toast" guy. He lives on rage bait and generating headlines.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Yeah I'm not giving this guy a second thought. He's just an idiot

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is the guy that made the original avocado toast comment. He is prime eat the rich material of ever there was any.

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[–] mp3 53 points 2 years ago

We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around.

Employment is a mutually-beneficial agreement. I pity whoever has that CEO as a boss that thinks so lowly of their subordinates. We need to remind employers that they also depend on their employees.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around

This angers me. If it wasn't for employees many employers be living in a box under the turnpike, because shit doesn't get done by wishful thinking alone.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago

He should see what we did to the czars and repeat himself.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

For everyone saying "A 50% increase in unemployment would only take us from 3.8% to 5.7%, that's not bad" keep in mind that 37,000 people die for every 1% increase in unemployment. This man is essentially wishing for the deaths of 70,000 americans.

Edit: just realized he's probably talking about Australia from his accent. Not sure about the numbers for Australia on unemployment deaths, but I imagine the point should still stand.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Yes, deaths, but also wishing for poverty and misery. What a humane soul.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

keep in mind that 37,000 people die for every 1% increase in unemployment. This man is essentially wishing for the deaths of 70,000 americans.

Wait really? How?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

Economic instability has been found to increase overall mortality, infant deaths, fatalities from cardiovascular disease, cirrhosis, suicide, and homicide as well as morbidities, alcoholism and admissions to mental hospitals. M Harvey Brenner has publications studying the phenomenon going all the way back to the 50s if you're interested in the scientific literature.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I heard "Let them eat cake."

Both in the sense that this is a bullshit thing to say, and in the sense that this is the sort of thing that, if misquoted, could get innocent (at least of saying something like that) people hurt.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago

Holy shit what an actual psychopath

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Keep in mind that “jump 40-50%” is not the same as “unemployment at 40-50%”…your headline is sensationalist (or just a misunderstanding of the numbers). This guy’s take is still absurd, regardless.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Absurdly evil af.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This goes right into my spreadsheet of examples how winning at capitalism does not require much intelligence or foresight. In fact, too much of either hurts your chances.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All it requires is an incredible amount of egocentrism and a dash of psychopathy.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not true! You also have to be significantly lucky. I've met plenty of egocentric psychopaths who are stuck in small-time hustles and utterly pissed about it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not agreeing with the sentiment, but your title is wrong, OP. He didn't say unemployment should be 40-50%. He said it should increase by 40-50%, which equates to a move from 3.8% to 5.7%

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can we start with the CEOs?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

About 40-50% culling of management would hopefully lead to a more sustainable system.

Their relentless hunt for profits is damaging every ecosystem they enter.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Tim is literally a freeloader making money off of other people's labor... scum. . .

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

He isn't even self made. His grandfather gave him a loan and his boss supported him in his initial start

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 years ago

He needs to see pain in his life.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Does he really not understand that employers make their money from their employees?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago

He got his start with a loan from his grandfather and with extensive support from his boss

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

So like, how would one go about trying to figure out where this guy lives?

[–] PixelProf 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The beatings will continue until ~~morale~~ productivity improves.

Edit: Sorry, morale is irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

If I see this fuckwit in the street I’m laying him out.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

So I guess that means corporations are actually hoping for a recession so they can "tighten the belt" and fire some workers and the remaining ones will work extra hard to make up the difference. Again.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Guillotine was invented because of monsters like this.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

He is free to stop hiring if he thinks that way. If unemployment jumps it's because business is in the shitter.

[–] Szymon 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who's taking bets on how long until this guy's head is left in a box for another billionaire to open?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

A 1% increase is associated with 37000 additional deaths. 40% unemployment would be classicide.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not to defend this PoS but I think he means a 40% increase to unemployment, as in if unemployment is at 10% he thinks it should be 14%.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

US unemployment rate is 3.8% as of August, so this guy is calling for roughly 70k people to die so that he can get back to his power fantasy and his pesky employees will stop having uncomfortable conversations with him about petty grievances like "feeding their families" and "keeping a roof over their head"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Engineering manager here: I am very lucky to have my team, I need them more than they need me, and I think anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

He is a fucking Property Developer. That is the definition of someone who doesn’t actually do any real work.

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