Opposite for me. Feels like I went to school with particularly smart people and I thought I was way below average.
Then I learned about (and also observed) a 60% illiteracy rate.
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Opposite for me. Feels like I went to school with particularly smart people and I thought I was way below average.
Then I learned about (and also observed) a 60% illiteracy rate.
That’s me. Then I got a job as a software developer but most my colleagues when to university so they always going on about bougie words like polymorphism, dependency injection, etc.
We coined the term that I am a working man’s software developer. I can do all those bougie words but I just can’t articulate what they are. Nor do I care to to be honest.
Felt this really hard as someone from the Philippines (which is currently having an education crisis) and whose intelligence was glazed too often lmao
That's what every Balzac novel is about
That’s a me, retardando
“You are reading at college level.”
Translation: “You are baseline literate.”
Advanced classes means slightly less stupid. This makes me think of Beijing University. A lot of kids who were considered the brightest and the best in their little towns their parents would go into debt and borrow money from others in the town to send them to Beijing University.
When the kids arrived they'd discover they weren't as smart as they thought they were and they'd flunk out despite studying as hard as they could. And instead of returning home and embarrassing their parents in front of the other townspeople they'd kill themselves.
Did no one make the effort to publicize these stories to prevent this from happening?
These are well known stories but like with every tragedy everyone always thinks: "This won't happen to me, because I'm different."
I, personally, would never think that because I'm different.
For me, it was realizing that while I was smart, the shit level of schooling was more an impediment to me gaining the skills needed to continue excelling and I continue to be surrounded by absolute dipshits wherever I go.
In school, I didn't have to study to pass and there was no real incentive to learn how to. This bit me when it came to university because the lectures didn't cover everything that was to be tested on. Turns out, trying is a skill I never needed until then.
Then, in the workforce, I'm constantly exhausted dealing with people who are at best functionally literate and I have to cater to their understanding of literally everything. No desire to either understand the problem or fix the root cause, just make the thing do what they want right then.
Did I write this last night in my sleep?
I just told this exact story to my oldest yesterday, almost verbatim. Freaky.
There are dozens of us!
You know I heard a quote one time that said if you're the smartest person in the room you're in the wrong room. But at the same time my parents always told me whatever I did I needed to be the best at it. Like they put me in tutoring because my math skills were only one year ahead. My family is all engineers, computer scientists etc. Everybody's a bachelor's or above except my one sister who's specifically disabled.
When I decided on nursing school I was like OK I'm just going to aim for something achievable for me. The content should be right at my level, at least I'll be able to excel at that like they're expecting. And the coursework itself was super easy. I had all the chem physics and bio I needed for the conceptual groundwork. I had all the Greek and Latin roots I needed for the terminology. Even the math was actually right on my level (basic algebra, ratio and proportion, PEMDAS equations), I just needed to up my accuracy when I had previously optimized for speed. And even now my computer skills alone are basically unmatched among clinical professionals. I had to call IT for something they needed to remote into the workstation for and they were shocked that I just gave them the IP address.
But my instructors and preceptors absolutely humbled me in people skills and emotional resiliency. I actually flunked out the first time for being too emotionally immature. They made me cry on the regular and I just couldn't get a grip on what they wanted from me interaction wise. It was actually my first shitty job at a psych hospital + going through therapy simultaneously that fixed me. It's wild to say but I feel like the literally criminally insane men I was working with taught me better people skills than my parents did. I learned so much about respect and what it really meant to uphold a promise through adversity and how to keep my stupid mouth shut.
So. I thought I was aiming low, and I still wound up being the dumbest person in the room. Did get the degree though; it's been 6 years now.
It's wild to say but I feel like the literally criminally insane men I was working with taught me better people skills than my parents did.
That actually sounds pretty reasonable to me (not to excuse your parents, if applicable). It’s not the same thing at all, but I learned much better people skills from living with a boyfriend who had abandoned his treatment for and didn’t tell me about his paranoid schizophrenia than from anyone else. He read so much into everything I said, that I learned to speak very deliberately.
When you are working with people with a very different perspective on the world that you can’t change, and neither party feels entitled to acceptance because of family, you need to learn how to treat others respectfully and with dignity to succeed.
I also work in healthcare. The science was challenging, but achievable with effort. The hand skills took practice and repetition. But the people skills are truly never mastered.
I’ve been in my field for 17 years and it’s still a daily fire walk trying to avoid setting expectations too high, setting expectations too low, or somehow inadvertently inviting litigation with the wrong choice of words. The same verbiage doesn’t work on everyone, and you have about 20 seconds to decide which variation of unreasonable you have to sidestep on every person.
I feel like I am fortunate to have employment and not worry as much as many people about affording groceries and the mortgage. And yet, I really hope my children don’t choose patient care for their career.
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Yeah 10 total years and a dozen Daisy noms in and I still feel like my foot is constantly in my mouth. You also have to walk this horrible tightrope of remembering this is the worst day of someone's life then emotionally file it under your 400th Tuesday. The cognitive dissonance of that alone is enough to drive you bonkers.
It doesn't help that in psych a lot of the time there's no solution for keeping the person safe that's not going to horribly traumatize them. I've had to do things to people to keep them alive and as unharmed as possible that are still probably gonna feature in their nightmares. I try not to but sometimes they're already so traumatized that they just won't be able to see what I'm doing as beneficial. We've got people with past sexual assault traumas who are so out of it they don't realize that urine has been sitting on their skin for days and the acid is dissolving their genitals. They can't put the steps in order to clean themselves but they also can't safely accept me touching them to help. The other day I did something as simple as trying to help someone dial the phone and when we finally got through they got it into their head that I'd replaced their loved one on the other end with an imposter.
Some days you just Will Not Win but the fact that human bodies and social interactions have so many uncontrolled variables (and infinitely more when combined) will leave you wondering every time you think about it that maybe there was some right answer you just couldn't find. Maybe I should have waited longer. Maybe I took too long. Maybe I should've played music. Maybe the environment was too loud. Maybe I should've been kinder. Maybe I wasn't straightforward enough. The list just keeps going.
Yea... This was the basis for my first existential crisis in my life... All through small town public school I was basically the smartest kid in the room (sometimes smartest person - we had some really bad teachers). Thought I was god's gift of intelligence to humanity. Went out of town to a really good engineering school and holy shit I was immediately humbled. I was clawing my way to try to reach "average" and couldn't quite reach.
I can promise you if you are here you’re above average. Average is shockingly bad. Maybe not average for engineering school but still above it.
"A big fish in a little pond", it's how I described my achievements in my first job out of uni.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big-fish%E2%80%93little-pond_effect
A bad teacher can stunt you. I always wanted to make video games, but my high school programming teacher's style didn't mesh. Even though I enjoyed the class, he suggested I drop it because he thought I wasn’t a good fit for the field, I reluctantly agreed. Twenty years later, I’ve completed most of the programming for a game I plan to release one day, though I can still picture him tapping the chalkboard every time I asked a question like that was supposed to help...
I was a nerdy girl and was always pushed out by teachers. My male teachers for obvious reasons but i had a younger female programming teacher and she hated the fact I existed and took attention away from her.
Most programming classes are bullshit. You come out with basic knowledge of practices that aren't used in real production. They teach you how to write code, but they don't teach you how code is written in most businesses.
Outside of actual gaming programs in colleges, new developers are generally bewildered and end up making stuff that's hard to maintain.
We had a professor sit in with us for a few months once to get the gist of what was needed so he could form classes around game deveopment.
likewise, i have always been the family tinker/inventor. invented a hydrogen/oxygen fuel cell when i was 8 before i learned they already existed better than i had invented. i went to school, took engineering classes. the intro to CAD teacher was an ableist douche (long story) and publicly stated that it was his intention to weed out anyone he felt was not "worthy" of being in our "noble" (ranked four hundred something nationally) engineering program via his computer drafting program and since grading was almost entirely subjective (75% of each project was for "style" whatever that meant) he got to do that.
i changed majors next semester. haven't stopped building shit. i'm tired, but i'm supposed to finish rebuilding my bike today. i'm going to hang the drapes instead.
I’m born and raised in rural northern Nevada population 4000ish. I barely graduated high school and went straight into a manual labor job. I feel like I’m a goddamn Nostradamus or Albert Einstein here sometime.

Here's the thing: we can't ALL have been the smartest kids in our classes. It's just so unlikely.
We were the generic background idiots in someone else's success story all along.
makes me feel better in a way, knowing i at least had a purpose. even if that purpose was to make someone else's purpose seem more meaningful.
Maybe I'm like Inspector Gadget. The titular character, but the real protagonist is my niece and her dog.
That's entirely plausible. It's fairly normal even. Thats still well over 10 million people and it's common for people to be in the 95th percentile then go to college and be completely average.
Oh God.
But they were all dipshits.
You know, this actually explains a lot. Like how I never realized this before.
It took me many years to realize.
I learned to read and write very young, and so the literary part of school was always super easy. This caused me to neglect studying overall, and when I moved to high school in the city, I was just average lol
Everywhere is filled with absolute dipshits. Frankly the bar for "gifted" should not be looked at a praise-worthy state of those deemed such, but rather as a scathing rebuke of the general idiocy rampant across humanity.
I had highschool classmates bragging about driving 80mph down dirt roads and one girl planned to become "richly married" as her career. Maybe we all had dipshits.
Big fish in a small pond.
Guessing I'm not the only one in here that had a similar pathway with video games. Maybe games in general, as chess was similar.
Growing up in a town can be rough if you're considered smart, and I've seen plenty posing as a lot dumber than they really are just so they fit in. The people that will not dumb themselves down tend to stand out more because of this.
I remember as a kid my mom used to scold me for being "arrogant" even though I had no intention of doing so. Apparently I was arrogant because I liked to talk about the interesting things I read in my books (had a talkative streak, probably the ADHD)
In my country there are no advanced people and you can't really fast forward years of education. I know a couple of famous cases, but is not something that happens all the time. My family treated me as a special kid for so many reasons, and being "smart" was one of them. Had to travel to the big capital city to study a bachelor in science, there was no way around it, because the expenses were mostly covered by this public university, thank god.
The first year was hard. I failed some classes even, and seriously questioned myself if I had it in me to get my degree. Education is just better in big cities with museums, cultural activities everyday, bookstores and libraries. Back in the town I grew up we only had the little municipal library, others existed but weren't open to the public, and one or two bookstores with best sellers. In my university we had one library with several levels just for the students, there were books and journals, maps, a digital library too, etc. You need to be curious, yes, but the environment to pique that curiosity is very important too.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king