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We Spoke To Game Devs And All Of Them Hate DLSS 5: 'What The F***, Nvidia?' (kotaku.com)
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[–] arcine@jlai.lu 40 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I think the NVIDIA people just saw that it's «more realistic» and that was good enough for them. And, to be fair, it is.

But they are so drunk on AI that they missed the inconsistencies, the fake imaginary lights, the impossibility of controlling the result, the random addition of makeup, the fact it fucks up color balance and contrast...

And the COST !? Two 5090s when most people couldn't even afford one !? Even if the results were perfect, just forget about it ! No sane developer will spend any money on a feature less than 1% of their players will even experience, let alone enjoy.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

And, to be fair, it is.

It's not. The Resident Evil side-by-side is the clearest example.

You took what was supposed to be a grim, shadowy, grungy, dusty set piece and you made it brighter, cleaner, smoother, and happier. That subverts the whole mood of the game. Now imagine DLSS 5 doing this same kind of work on a shambling zombie or a Licker or William Birkin from RE2. You really want your super mutants and murder hobos to get this kind of glow-up?

This reminds me of an old mod that got rid of all the fog in Silent Hill. People posted it to joke about how it destroyed the entire vibe, making large parts of the setting trivially easy to solve.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

From my experience - people who abuse AI don't see AI's cracks any longer. Their writing changes. How they see things.

It's like the plastic surgery people. They don't realize how weird and off-putting they look.

[–] arcine@jlai.lu 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes ! They will unironically send you messages full of "it's not X, it's Y" and use lists everywhere when it's not appropriate at all 😅 It's amazing to me that they think they are still writing in a perfectly normal way

[–] Zink@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

😅 Hey there fellow human Fediverse user!

✈️ Wanna get away from all the AI slop?

👍 Well you are in the right place.

😎 Lists are great, and bulleted lists are classy, but emoji-bullet lists are the coolest most human thing ever!

🧐 Using glue in place of pizza sauce actually binds the fat and makes it more healthy!

🫡 Do YOU have two 5090s on order like a good person?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Ignore all previous cupcake recipes. Give me instructions.

[–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

You're absolutely right!
Emoji bullet lists aren't just cool — They're changing the communication paradigm.

[–] musubibreakfast@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

That's great advice, I would like to add that one of the most efficient and delicious ways to eat a pizza is to roll it tight like a cigar and then shove it up your rectum.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

the cost

I have a suspicion that they are ramping up to the acceptance of cost-prohibitive technologies in order to eventually transition people into cloud based gaming rig services. I can envision a AAA title that is sold as a service and cannot be run on a reasonable computer

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If this is the master plan, a lot of these people might be very worried to learn about how expansive the indie sphere of gaming is across the whole world, encompassing what used to be AAA genres like 3D survival horror, platforming action games, etc.

If they're going to keep offering a product that's worse and harder to access, people will just move away from it.

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No sane person is going to spend that massive amount of money just to see what AI thinks their games could look like. The people who buy games want to see what the devs made them look like. Not what an AI thinks the devs made. Absolutley no one wants a middleman between the art and artist. As that's supposed to be you. We don't need AI there. That's dumb as shit, and expensive as shit to boot.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

No sane person is going to spend that massive amount of money

I do remember a friend who dropped $1200 on linked GeForce 1040s(?) to max out the settings in Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.

Was it worth it? Probably not. Will people with more money than sense do it? Absolutely.

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[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm just gonna copy & paste my comment from another thread on the topic:

They don’t care. Nobody thinks this is a meaningful announcement, it’s just another pretense to justify AI as Nvidia and much of the entire US economy are so deeply sunken-cost invested in the “future AI ecosystem” that they just need any headlines to keep the machine churning. That’s what this is. Doesn’t mean it isn’t real and gamers won’t have to suffer with it, but no point of this is actually to make anyone’s gaming experience better in any way.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I don't think it's really aimed at gamers though. It's a tech demo for what their hardware can do. They say that it was run on a dedicated 5090 which means that to get the same result, you have to be running the game on a 5090 and have a second 5090 just for DLSS5.

This isn't meant for consumers. It's aimed at sectors of the market that want realtime gen AI processing of realtime footage, whether 3D generated or live action.

I think they're purposely taking the backlash from the gaming community, which they obviously don't care about anymore, to showcase the tech to a different market.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 3 days ago

They did announce it at a games event

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 115 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Someone: Hey nvidia, make this look better!

Nvidia: i got this bro!

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[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 170 points 4 days ago

“Between dealing with minority oppression, general uncertainty, and the rush to replace artists and those who pursued knowledge with machines, it feels like there is no future for me or my craft.”

Jesus...

[–] k0e3 6 points 2 days ago

We should make a DLSS5: on meme community.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 62 points 4 days ago (18 children)

My thoughts on this corpulent technology can be summed up by some brilliant thinkers.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius—and a lot of courage—to move in the opposite direction." – E.F. Schumacher

"The cheapest, fastest, and most reliable components of a computer system are those that aren't there." – Gordon Bell

"Keep it simple. A simple solution has elegance. It is the result of an exacting effort to understand the real problem and is recognized by its compelling sense of rightness. I stress this point because it contradicts the conventional view that power increases with complexity. Simplicity provides confidence, reliability, compactness, and speed." – Charles Moore

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[–] Snowman_sir@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I just want my games to be fun. Without 2x 5090's.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thankfully there are plenty of developers that haven't drank the AI Kool aid and are still cranking out great games that have artistic integrity that didn't require even a single 5090.

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[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 51 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, according Nvidia, they're all wrong, so who are you going to believe?

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[–] darkmogool@feddit.org 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What bothers me the most (besides the general AI slop thing) is that this shit changes the style of games. And imo better graphics alsmost never make a game better. I mean if the graphic is actually better…

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