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Umm, I think they can read.
Hell no, we didn't fall for anything. This is a real problem with real and far-reaching consequences, associated to multiple legislative attacks against privacy etc, pushed by corporates and religious groups.
YOU fell for the "think of the children" lie and "It's just a text field" BS. No, this is far worse than just a text field.
I foresee an astronomical amount of people born at unix epoch to appear if it becomes a required field lol
Since it's about birth dates, shouldn't it be an astrological amount of people?
October 15th, 1582 is another one you see often.
Don't forget December 31st, 1969 which you'll see when computers adjust UTC midnight at the Unix epoch to local time in the western hemisphere.
Lawmakers don't care whether you're 18 or 56
Thereβs a disconnect over this in that one side looks at the present data and other takes a possible result from that into account. (dividing people into groupsβ¦for the sake of argument ok?)
Now from strictly an IT perspective, this is indeed pretty meaningless. One line of code that stores one piece of data. Who cares right?
From the other side you take the very hot topics of politics and privacy into account (two things that are also very front and center with most of the Lemmy crowd afaik).
Because it can start by just one line of code but where will it end? Personally Iβd rather be over cautious and assume the worst.
I mean look at the story of cookies. Back in the 90βs they were a small benign piece of data and look how that turned out. Our entire world is influenced by it today to great extend.
Personally Iβd rather be overly cautious.
One line of code
Heh, look at the merge again.
It surprised me what a mess systemd code is.
People need to remember that slippery slope is a very specific fallacy where a hyperbolic chain of events is not backed up by supporting evidence.
If we allow gay marriage people will want to marry their dogs!
While none of us can possibly know where this ends, this is preemptive compliance with privacy invading measures that are practically indistinguishable from the kind of overreaching control desired by malicious parties. This is a much stronger case and even IF this is the last step, there's no reason to take it in the first place.
It's morally correct to loudly object at every step, that's how you fight this.
The thing to also keep in mind is that this shit is pushed now by Facebook and politicians, none of whom care a single shit about kids, as they so loudly claim. That alone is a huge red flag as it's always "but think about the poor children!!" that is used for the most nefarious shit being pushed.
This has been in the works for a long time (I've seen attempts for this at least a decade ago) and now it finally passed in some places,. meaning that it only got easier to soon implement it everywhere
Yes, it's a slippery slope argument but that slope is right there in front of us
Slippery slope again
"It is too late, for I have already straw-manned your argument in a meme"
I found it extremely funny when people started asking for systemd replacements, of all things, after systemd added the ability to store a birth date.
"Replacements"?
We already had loads of those.
And then...
Boom! An explosion of systemd forks since the age "verification"(/attestation) merge and lennart's blocking of the reversion pull request. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/forks?include=active&page=1&period=1mo&sort_by=last_updated
It didn't even add that. You can put custom fields into userdb. It just standardized that, right next to other standard optional fields like full name.
Out of all the steps that happened, this one should be the least controversial, but some people see systemd and start the heavy breathing.
The author of the PR explicitly says IT IS TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW TRACKING LAW (LOBBIED BY FACEBOOK/META).
Yeah so Lennart Poettering is on the Executive team of Amutable (https://amutable.com/about), how do we feel about that? Remind me again how the open source community feels about trusted computing ... https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
Mostly pretty positive actually, having some reasonable assurances that you're actually running the software that you think you're running seems like an obvious thing you would want.
Here's an example of this in practice: https://grapheneos.org/features#auditor.
But I'm sure you know best. Time to cancel GrapheneOS.