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Progressive Politics, Gun Control, Single Payer Healthcare and Free Abortions for All!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] Bongo_Stryker 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It could be that the increase in gun related murders may be a factor in motivating people to purchase guns for protection. And the increase in ownership may also be a reflection of the number of people who purchased guns for a planned suicide, as evidenced by the rise in that number too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

While I'm sure that's a small part of it, studies have already shown than owning a gun increases your risk for suicide, and the risk of homicide.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/handguns-homicide-risk.html

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/06/handgun-ownership-associated-with-much-higher-suicide-risk.html

Guns are a catalyst for disaster. If you're suicidal, a gun makes it a lot easier to commit suicide, and therefore a lot more likely that you'll do it. If you're a violent person, a gun being nearby makes it more likely that your violent actions will be lethal.

If it was simply and only [gun murder rise] -> [rise in gun sales for protection], that alone wouldn't explain why gun deaths by suicide also rise. The explanation is that owning a gun makes death more likely. Which when you think about it, it is absolutely shocking that an item purpose built to kill makes death more likely.

[–] Bongo_Stryker 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Whelp, if you can't convince people to get a vaccination for a virus that killed millions, you won't convince people that giving up their guns will reduce their chance of getting killed.

I think a lot of people are convinced that there would be less crime overall if more people had guns and cc permits. But I bet if some wealthy philanthropist set up a foundation to subsidize affordable guns and ammo for low income families and immigrants there would probably be a lot more political will to regulate firearms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

This is a rare and rational take. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The issue still starts with people using guns to take lives (as this is the point of guns), so inevitably more guns will mean more deaths by guns. The correlation sort of implies a causality in any case. If you want to kill someone and you have access to a gun or a knife, you will use the gun.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you want to kill someone and you have access to a gun or a knife, you will use the gun.

And in doing so, you'll be able to kill a lot more people. A gun will almost always be able to kill more people than a knife.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I love how you make it obvious its about the tool and not the death. Its not about saving lives to you, you just want disarm them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Complaining about gun deaths means I don't care about gun deaths? What?

[–] uzi -2 points 2 years ago

There is still not enough Americans that own a gun.

More people should be carrying guns in public to protect others from criminals since passing more laws will never stop all of humanity from commiting crimes, so carry more guns in public to stop criminal behaviour.