john89

as you talk about how women are so baby brained that they can’t think.

Saying it's an 'anti-feminist' talking point holds no water when we're describing reality. You're literally supporting my argument by saying that women can't rise above the expectations the patriarchy has put on them. They can't think for themselves.

You're also supporting my notion that you refuse to acknowledge greed and consumerism as being the root cause of these issues because you're so distracted and invested in blaming "the patriarchy."

It's a lot easier for women to blame "the patriarchy," because if they addressed their own greed then they would have to give something up. If all the blame is put on "the patriarchy," then women can continue to consume just as they always have and delude themselves into thinking they're not part of the problem.

It’s just the women’s side of patriarchy.

Now this is an interesting point to bring up, although it does reinforce my argument. Men are more likely to value autonomy, women are more likely to value homogeny. It's why I said that women have a harder time thinking for themselves than men and why they've been conditioned to operate as one unit.

None of this is up for debate and you haven't disproved any of my points. Even if these ideas aren't acceptable in our social circles, it doesn't mean they don't describe reality.

Stop trying to look good in front of your peers.

complete free will

Hyperbole.

It's a spectrum, for sure. I wouldn't be who I am without the influence of others.

That said, women are way more likely to go along with what the crowd (their peers) is doing than I am. If they disagree with the crowd, they are way less likely to put those disagreements into action than I am.

They cannot think for themselves and it's encouraged by those who refuse to acknowledge it. It's not a problem unique to women, but they suffer from it more than men because women have been conditioned to operate as one unit.

It is disagreeing, though. You're saying that women can't rise above the expectations put on them by "the patriarchy." I agree that women, on average, cannot think for themselves.

It's not the fault of the patriarchy that women like expensive things and are willing to reward males who buy them things with sex. Women themselves encourage this behavior.

Trying to absolve them of any responsibility is just contributing to the culture of treating women like children.

You are right, but that is due to patriarchy creating the cultural expectations

This is where we disagree, and it's not just the words that we use. Women are greedy, too. They like the nice things men buy them. They don't care about the true cost of consumerism because they've been conditioned to ignore it.

It is women simply trying to meet their side of the expectation.

This is why I agree with you insomuch as women aren't able to think for themselves. I don't put that expectation on them. People richer than us do. Even though I'm able to rise above their influence, the average person cannot. This goes doubly-so for women because women have been encouraged for generations to function as one entity as much as possible.

It's not their fault insomuch as they can't think for themselves, I'll agree with you there.

But the agreement stops when you blame the patriarchy over consumerism. No, this generation has been convinced to sell itself out to the lowest bidder. Average women are proud consumers that want to live like instagram models. Any kind of modesty is shunned in their social circles. It's drowned out by "look at this new thing I bought! Please praise me for spending money!"

The sex speaks for itself. Men have a ridiculously easy time getting laid if they have money, even if they're pieces of shit in every other way.

Unfortunately, the homogenization of women works against them when they're all conditioned to be proud consumers living vicariously through those richer than them.