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What is the intent of the protest though? What would be the demands?
To stop fucking killing us for money
Well with some more Luigis the problems would be solved. But protest etc? I guess Republicans showed you how riots works and how dirty the methods are. They laugh about protesters.
Please please please go read some history about the black and women's rights movements. Please go read some history about the cold war. The Vietnam war.
Please please please stop spreading this defeatist rhetoric that we can't accomplish anything with our voices.
Please Go read some German history and some history about holocaust and Concentration camps. Read about the shit trump already done and what he still wanna do. Well maybe do a visit at your American concentration camp called Guantanamo...
Read about how the Jews were hunted down back then and then sent on by train... Yes, well with you it's immigrants (i.e. everyone else lol ) and instead of going by train, they go by military airplanes.
Did you ever read any German history dog? Sure, WWII happened but go look into the ways that the oppressed people fought back. It wasn't only violent.
That's hyperbole, not a great message.
That's not really hyperbolic when you take a look at the American healthcare system.
People are letting the elites know that we are displeased with the status quo.
The social contract is broken. They don't have to pretend to give any fucks about fuxking working people over and we don't have to pretend that we don't cheer when they die esp under such poetic justice circumstances.
It is a dog eat dog world, always has been really. People are waking up to the fact that material conditions imposed on the working people are becoming untenable.
That's not really a demand though.
Protests can't just express general satisfaction.
Literally what protest do and more.
That's just not true.
Anyone who's ever organised a protest will tell you that you need a clear demand.
You can’t tell other people how to protest.
Well no but I can observe other protests and comment on what works well and what doesn't.
This is more about sending a message imho
Sure ok.
I guess the point that I'm making is that protests that do not have a clear and concise demand are not really going to send a message to the people who need to hear it.
Free Luigi or nullify the charges.
Universal healthcare!
I don't think that's really achievable with the current political landscape.
I think you're going to dismiss anything that isn't "stay home".
Pretty much, because when you really nail down what you're protesting about, you want exemptions from the law for people you like, which is just bonkers frankly.
Easy on the leather there chief... You wouldn't want to damage daddy's jackboot too much
So witty.
Any time you simplify someone else's argument to "things you don't like" or "people you like", then you're deliberately ignoring their reasoning for liking/disliking it. Hand waving it away as bonkers feelings is intellectually dishonest.
So in this case, if you like somebody who does the thing, and want anyone who does that to be exempted... then you just want the law to be different. And we have a few ways of accomplishing that.
How do you want the law to be different? Murdering CEOs ought to be permissible?
Exactly, ask them something like that instead.
Thank you for coming out and saying it instead of continuing to pretend that there can be some protest you might consider valid under any circumstances.
Was I pretending?
I really just want people to think about what they actually want. Lemmy doesn't have much self awareness on this issue.
You can't complain about Trump not facing justice but simultaneously want Luigi to walk.
Luigi is a hero, but he needs to face trial and should be convicted if there is sufficient evidence.
Only if you can't tell the difference between blatant corruption and jury nullification.
Jury nullification is corruption.
It involves 12 people falsely stating that a defendant is not guilty despite their belief that they are guilty. How is that not a perversion of the court process?