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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26184252

The former head of Kazakhstan’s intelligence service, Alnur Mussayev, recently claimed in a Facebook post that Donald Trump was recruited by the KGB in 1987, when the 40-year-old real-estate mogul first visited Moscow.

The allegation would, if true, be a bombshell. Mussayev provides no documentary evidence —but then how could he? He alleged that Trump’s file is in Vladimir Putin’s hands.

Mussayev isn’t the only ex-KGB officer to have made such an assertion. Several years ago, Yuri Shvets, a former KGB major now resident in Washington, D.C., served as one of the key sources for Craig Unger’s best-selling book, “American Kompromat: How the KGB Cultivated Donald Trump, and Related Tales of Sex, Greed, Power, and Treachery.”

Just after Mussayev made his claim, another ex-KGB officer living in France, Sergei Zhyrnov, categorically endorsed the allegations in an interview with a Ukrainian journalist. According to Zhyrnov, Trump would have been surrounded 24/7 by KGB operatives, including everyone from his cab driver to the maid servicing his hotel room. Zhyrnov said that Trump’s every move would have been recorded and documented, and that he could have been either caught in a “honey trap” (“All foreign-currency prostitutes were KGB — one hundred percent,” he said) or perhaps recorded bribing Moscow city officials in order to promote his idea of building a hotel in the Soviet capital.

None of these former KGB operatives has provided evidence, but the fact that three KGB agents located in different places and speaking at different times agree on the story suggests this possibility should not be dismissed out of hand. If there’s one thing we’ve learned from the first Trump administration and from the initial weeks of the second, it is that everything, including what appears to be impossible, is possible.

Also lending credence to the allegations is the fact that kompromat on Trump would easily, simply and convincingly explain the president’s animus toward NATO, Europe and Ukraine, his admiration of Vladimir Putin and his endorsement of authoritarian rule. One could even invoke “Occam’s razor,” the philosophical principle that claims that simple explanations should be preferred to complex ones.

We could then dispense with contorted explanations that focus on Trump’s mercurial and narcissistic personality on the one hand and American party realignments on the other. Indeed, even if true, these explanations could be accommodated as bells and whistles adorning the central narrative propounded by three KGB agents.

Naturally, Trump and his supporters will bristle. Surely, the three KGB agents are on somebody’s payroll. Who wouldn’t want to discredit the U.S. president? It could be the CIA or FBI, except that these are now firmly in the hands of Trump loyalists. Besides, would they have the ability to buy or coerce residents of Kazakhstan and France? Ditto for other Western intelligence services.

Perhaps it’s Putin? But he surely has no interest in undermining a president who supports his policies toward Ukraine, NATO and Europe.

Somewhat more plausible would be an officer or officers within the Russian intelligence community who oppose Putin and Trump’s designs. This version seems unlikely, but only at first glance, since we know that Putin’s seemingly impregnable regime is actually riven with cracks.

But why would a clandestine opposition make up a story and convince Shvets to spill the beans several years ago? Wouldn’t the dissidents know it’s true?

Perhaps all three ex-KGB agents are simply lying, in the hope of attracting attention and bolstering their fame? A resident of Washington might have this motive, but a Kazakh and Frenchman?

What leads me to think that there might be something to the allegations is the fact that an acquaintance had a very similar experience at just the same time. A left-leaning ladies’ man, he was wined and dined in Moscow for several years in the late 1980s, courted by the ladies — by his round-the-clock interpreter, as well as by a woman who approached him in a department store and invited him home.

We’ll probably never know the truth. But even with no slam-dunk evidence, the allegations should be, to say the least, disturbing, especially for the genuine patriots in the MAGA camp.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's hard for me to wrap my head around is how many guys my age (over 60) who grew up with Russia as this mysterious fearsome enemy - are just following Trump and going like "yeah yeah Russia not that bad."

How did this sideshow hawker idiot gain their trust so completely?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the really fascinating part to me and I suspect it will be a topic in many history and psychology books in the future. Trump's power over some people is nothing short of magical.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are people that are very susceptible to advertising/propaganda . I work for some of these people in their homes . 9 times out of 10 they have a can of flex seal in their garage ( that stuff does not work ) , I have over heard them talking about buying commemorative silver plated coins and arguing over the phone with some other scam advertisement trying to cancel their reoccurring mail order products. They are suckers , constantly falling for scams. They have been conditioned since birth. Just sleep walking through life waiting to be told what to think or do next.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There are people that are very susceptible to advertising/propaganda

Oh, absolutely, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that it could be a third of the nation's voting adults.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

George Carlin

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

What I'm hearing you say is that MAGA is the left third of the bell curve. I can believe that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because all of the asbestos and lead that they've been exposed to over the entirety of their life has turned the thinky thinky part of their brain marbled smooth.

[–] floofloof 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There are plenty of people who've ingested all the same generational toxins and can see perfectly well what Trump is. Some lead taking a person's IQ down a couple of points doesn't explain the voting-for-Trump-twice level of idiocy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's as simple as this; he plays to their bigotries. Racists, homophobes, transphobes, xenophobes, religious fundamentalists, all catered for.

"I will hurt those you hate." That was the promise he was elected upon. That is what drives the voting populace, hate. So wrapped up in the hatred of their fellow suffering humans, they willingly choose a childish, senile, selfish, fat, old, "white", paedophile, rapist, reality TV star as their "leader".

And lo, observe the result.

The dildo of consequences, as the saying goes, rarely arrives lubed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Lead, asbestos, and plastic. I'm barely even human anymore.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Seriously this. Just look at General Patton:

We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Nazi Germany) all along. But while we're here (on the Soviet border), we should go after the bastards now, 'cause we're gonna have to fight 'em eventually.

The authenticity of that quote may be disputed, but the idea is clearly in line with American military ideology at the time, and in line with what Patton thought.

And here we are in 2025 with American leaders siding with nazis and Russia.

Edit: I meant only that USA was anti-Russian. I don't think anybody else thought the Germans may have been the wrong enemy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The authenticity of that quote may be disputed

One thing is true about Patton: he was a professional general, which means he understood the importance of logistics and supplies and planning for a successful military campaign. If he actually even said that quote, there is no way that he meant it literally, because at the end of the war in Europe the Soviet military was as strong as it had ever been and had just gotten done rolling up 85% of Germany's military, while the United States - which had always had a much smaller military force in Europe than the Soviets - was already in the process of transferring most of its assets to the Pacific to finish off the Japanese. Any attempt to fight the Soviets at that time would have ended quickly in complete disaster.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Patton was very vocal about continuing on to fight the Soviets. It's even justification for a conspiracy theory that he was killed for those beliefs.

[–] floofloof 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The USA remains strongly anti-communist, so much so that it harms the country's politics by eliminating the left. And Russia hasn't been communist since 1991. What Republicans see in Russia is a socially reactionary, shamelessly self-enriching right-wing strongman leading a country where liberal attitudes, dissent, and any kind of rights for minorities are harshly suppressed. That's what they like.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

As a German, you weren't fighting the wrong enemy. But maybe we weren't the only ones to fight back then.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Because the man has charisma and he says whatever the fuck he wants with confidence, regardless of the actual facts. You also overestimate the education of the average person. By and large, people are stupid and just do what they're told. Add those two together, then give the people an effigy to burn for their struggles, and you have gestures broadly.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because the man has charisma

He has the opposite of charisma. I change the channel immediately when Trump is on TV before he can get a full sentence out. Because you just know that it is the voice of a pedophile. Seriously, I can very easily picture Trump's voice telling a pedophile victim not to talk or else.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You could watch the whole thing and he still wouldn't get a full sentence out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

You're not wrong, but he's able to captivate an audience, and that's why they flock to him. He speaks what they think.