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[–] [email protected] 114 points 1 day ago (9 children)

She will 100% but maybe that what need to be so a real revolution start because the peaceful protest don't do shit to stop fascist

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Too bad people couldn't be bothered to vote last year.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (16 children)

But the Democrats didn't offer them a pony

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.

The truth is it's possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.

Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The left:

If we don't give voters what they want, we're gonna end up with fascism.

Fascists:

Take over a country because "moderates" fight the left harder than fascism

"Moderates":

Why dont we just blame the left again?

Do you legitimately not understand what's happening now?

Because it's literally the same way Nazis came to power the first time; "moderates" fighting the left

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Absolutely incredible to acknowledge that voters chose fascism because the alternative wasn't perfect enough, yet still act like they're blameless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

If you keep returning to this argument rather than uniting to fight fascism, aren't you doing the same thing as people that didn't vote/voted for a 3rd party?

You're intentionally shifting the argument back to blaming leftists to justify your own morality rather than addressing the current situation, which is dealing with the immediate threat of full blown fascism.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Yes

The voters weren't given a good enough choice to hold their nose for the 4th time in a row...

You're acting like people just chose this election to sit out and havent been disenfranchised for (for the majority of Dem voters) their entire lives.

Because for you personally, things haven't been that bad yet, so you refused to help anyone else because "what are they gonna do, vote Republican?"

Completely ignorant of how voting works and that the result would just be checking out of politics and not voting. Which when enough Americans do, Republicans win elections

You didn't want to help anyone, and now you're mad the people you weren't going to help no matter who won the election didn't help you

As I told someone else, the solution is helping everyone so people will be motivated to vote because they have something to lose.

Like, how the fuck does someone make it to 2025 and realize that people with nothing to lose act like they have nothing to lose?

The "moderate" wing followed the same playbook that got Hitler elected by fighting the left harder than they fight the right...

And are now acting shocked when the same result happened.

So you're mad at everyone that warned you like people in the 1500s burning a woman for being a witch because she said a storm was coming.

Fucking ridiculous mate. But at least you feel self important, that's what matters to some people I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

“Taking a stand against genocide” = pony. Got it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You chose the genocide harder option. How did that help anyone?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Citation needed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to "punish" the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn't cast for the "genocidal" Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.

How's it feel knowing you've got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Straw man. I voted for Harris.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-democrats:

Just 28% of Democratic voters said they support a so-called "moderate" approach.

How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

When trump was president the first time, we all agreed it was bad and things needed fixed.

A large amount of Dem voters held their nose and voted Biden because he was the only option and even Biden was better than trump....

But instead of fixing anything, Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn't actually fix anything despite having the House and Senate like trump does.

Then Biden held on to the last possible moment so there wouldn't be a primary, tried to hand the nomination to an even more historically unpopular VP who couldn't win, and she said she wouldn't do anything different, except putting a Republican in her cabinet.

So you can blame voters not voting.

But it just sounds like a shady car salesman bitching no one will buy his lemons.

It's the literal and only job for a candidate and their campaign team to win an election. We can't blame primary voters for picking a bad option, they had no say in who the candidate was.

This is bigger than your ego being wrong about what voters will put up with

We can't afford to deny reality so you feel better about your unpopular opinions about what Dem voters want.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It can simultaneously be true that the democrats did a god awful job campaigning, and that people are fucking idiots for not voting for them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They didn't do a bad job campaigning, they told us exactly who they are, barely left of trump Republicans

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If Kamala would have won the neoliberals would have maintained control of the DNC another four years, would have squashed the primary again, and we'd have been stuck voting for someone we don't want who won't fix anything for 8 years...

Shit is too bad to keep not fixing it.

It would have been kicking the can down the road another couple years and we'd be in the same scenario again. Meanwhile the wealthy would continue winning and 99% of us would keep losing.

Maybe it wasn't bad for you till now, maybe you'd even be fine waiting a decade before we fixed anything....

But most Americans weren't

Getting upset that they didn't care about you after decades not caring about them makes you look at best uninformed about the entire last 50 years of American political history.

So....

How about you stop bitching that the people you wouldn't help didn't help you and start working with everyone else that needs help.

That's the way to actually get anyone help, if you're not in board, don't be surprised when no one wants to listen to you

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[–] corsicanguppy 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything

You spell "things were slowly improving from disaster" and "didn't allow america to slide into recession as we emerge from global 100-year pandemic" weird.

I love how this 'gaslight' lie is itself a gaslight. Sorry Stein lost, but she couldn't have won, and wasn't supposed to. She was funded to fool you and others into forgetting it was really a binary choice, and your split votes allowed Republicans to win. Take the win.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Almost all the recovery went to the owner class, and you're fucking blaming the working class for noticing. Quit your bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Almost all the recovery went to the owner class under Biden, so let's elect Trump and transfer EVERYTHING to the owner class.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

But it's okay. I'm sure the people who couldn't be bothered to pick up a ballot will be happy to pick up a rifle.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We have no idea what a peaceful protest of significant size can do. We've never seen one.

We've seen peaceful protests, sure. And some not-so-peaceful ones. But non-violence is really difficult to manage and wield.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

Are protests really about "doing" things though?

A rabble or riot might storm a location like on Jan 6, but is that going to topple a government? Maybe in the middle ages where you could depose a king but since then I don't think so.

Civil Unrest, if maintained over weeks and months might achieve something. If the population is ungovernable I imagine that might motivate republicans to impeach but things would have to get real bad.

Other than that a protest is really just a public statement of duress. It's an appeal to all the people who usually dont pay any attention to politics et cetera.

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