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[–] [email protected] 23 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

this outcome has less to do with trump's actions, and more to do with how the conservatives behaved in spite of those actions.

I think enough people were like me, ready to vote conservative, but then lost faith in the party since they didnt really seem to have a plan on anything once trudeau was gone early. Pollievre's stock tanked once people saw that Trudeau was gone, and what was happening in the world

[–] [email protected] 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

I don't know that 'Conservative' exists anymore. I'm American, but I think these comments work everywhere else, as Authoritarianism rises.

Growing up, I believed that liberal/conservative was just a difference in approach, but not a difference in end-goal. Both 'teams' wanted the country to prosper. In my 40s, now, I clearly see that we have different goals: Liberals want everyone to be prosperous, healthy, fulfilled. Conservatives value the prosperity only of those on top.

You may identify as conservative, little 'c', respect tradition and be careful with spending, etc; but I want you to closely evaluate the actions of people using that label across the globe. A vote for a conservative or right-wing candidate is a vote for the top 1% or less of the population of the planet. They may align with you on some topics, such as religion, abortion, fiscal policies, regulations, and more; but that is a ploy and they are absolutely willing to throw you away as soon as they have your vote and will cut everything you depend on once in power in order to pad their own pockets.

There are certainly perverse incentives and systemic issues that make even liberal politicians support bad policies, but the voter bloc that is 'liberal' wants to make things better for everyone. The conservative politicians, at least in the US where I'm paying attention, seem to be hell-bent on making things worse instead.

This has less to do with Trump's actions, and more to do with how the convervatives behaved...

[–] SpaceCowboy 3 points 11 hours ago

Really, Mark Carney is what a conservative used to be. These days people who identify as "conservative" are internet weirdos that stress over "wokeness" and whichever conspiracy theory is popular on the internet on that day.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

This has been my experience as well and I'd like to highlight your insightful point on how it seemed like both options were still trying to work towards a greater good decades ago.

Modern day conservatism seems entirely based on the ethos that inclusivity has gone too far. Since the world has become (in a very general and oversimplfying sense) more fair and inclusive over time, the ideology now feels inherently regressive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago

The line between regressive and conservative is so hard to define. However the former certainly is in ascendancy in America.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Long as you're voting against fascists man

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Poillievre flirted with Trumpian rhetoric though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago

He tried to mimic 2016 2020 trump. And it was palatteable to many

But when the 2025 version came out. It disgusted people

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Explain how they gained more seats then.

The conservatives barely lost because the progressives and the BQ voters cut their legs off to hoist up the liberals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

We'll see if the liberals take Quebec for granted like NDP did after Layton.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

That'll be important. We'll also see how Canadians react to the atrocities the USA will commit in the next 4 years too however.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Genuine question, what initially led you to wanting to vote conservative and what could they have run on for you to have stuck with then?