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Tesla Full-Self Driving Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason (No Serious Injuries, but Scary) (fuelarc.com)

submitted 6 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/2201156

In case you were worried about the roads being too safe, you can rest easily knowing that Teslas will be rolling out with unsupervised "Full Self Driving" in a couple days.

It doesn't seem to be going great, even in supervised mode. This one couldn't safely drive down a simple, perfectly straight road in broad daylight :( Veered off the road for no good reason. Glad nobody got badly hurt.

We analyze the onboard camera footage, and try to figure out what went wrong. Turns out, a lot. We also talk through how camera-only autonomous cars work, Tesla's upcoming autonomous taxi rollout, and how AI hallucinations figure into everything.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The obvious reason is that the product is not capable of driving itself.

That system has no awareness that it's a motor vehicle.

It has the capacity to execute instructions.

It has no capacity to judge if the instructions are reasonable.

It does not know, understand, or care if it gets you to your destination or if it kills you, or itself.

No cruelty, just executing instructions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Look I think Tesla's self driving cars are bad but this is a crazy viewpoint. If you only knew how many systems that are several orders of magnitude more dangerous than cars are run almost entirely by automated systems operating on extremely simple instructions (and nowhere near having "awareness" of or ability to judge anything), you'd apparently be shitting yourself because consciousness is apparently required to make good decisions. Chemical plants have been mostly automated since the 90s running on computers way simpler than anything in a Tesla, and they have way higher potential for disaster if something goes wrong.

Self driving cars have a lot of problems right now but it's absolutely insane to say that they inherently can't work because there's something special about consciousness that prohibits them from working without it. That's like saying you can't drive a car without having a soul or some other bullshit like that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

I mean, look at airplanes and their autopilot and especially their auto landing systems.

I think autonomous driving is limited by the quality and maintenance of rural roads, dirt and gravel roads, and the edge cases like going through drive thrus. Or really doing anything that isn't "drive on road from a to b." We use cars and trucks for all sorts of things in all sorts of places that aren't "roads."