There's a lot wrong with Tesla's implementation here, so I'm going to zoom in on one in particular. It is outright negligent to decide against using LIDAR on something like a car that you want to be autonomous. Maybe if this car had sensors to map out 3D space, that would help it move more successfully through 3D space?
this post was submitted on 22 May 2025
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I'll go further and say that LIDARs should be mandatory by law when vision is used. A lot of industries have regulations, and this guy can slap shitty webcams in his cars. That's a big problem.
The obvious reason is that the product is not capable of driving itself.
That system has no awareness that it's a motor vehicle.
It has the capacity to execute instructions.
It has no capacity to judge if the instructions are reasonable.
It does not know, understand, or care if it gets you to your destination or if it kills you, or itself.
No cruelty, just executing instructions.
Look I think Tesla's self driving cars are bad but this is a crazy viewpoint. If you only knew how many systems that are several orders of magnitude more dangerous than cars are run almost entirely by automated systems operating on extremely simple instructions (and nowhere near having "awareness" of or ability to judge anything), you'd apparently be shitting yourself because consciousness is apparently required to make good decisions. Chemical plants have been mostly automated since the 90s running on computers way simpler than anything in a Tesla, and they have way higher potential for disaster if something goes wrong.
Self driving cars have a lot of problems right now but it's absolutely insane to say that they inherently can't work because there's something special about consciousness that prohibits them from working without it. That's like saying you can't drive a car without having a soul or some other bullshit like that.
I mean, look at airplanes and their autopilot and especially their auto landing systems.
I think autonomous driving is limited by the quality and maintenance of rural roads, dirt and gravel roads, and the edge cases like going through drive thrus. Or really doing anything that isn't "drive on road from a to b." We use cars and trucks for all sorts of things in all sorts of places that aren't "roads."
I want to go back to early 2010s when all this tech was so cool and promising.
miss that optimism
Well the Tesla subreddit is stuck in the early 2010s, but that's assuming you want to or can turn your brain off completely.
Not me, I don't want to feel like I am a long way from a dead end like I did then.
no one seems to be questioning why exactly we need self driving cars in the first place. cars are an absolutely horrendous way to handle personal transportation already why add self driving on top of that
(Adam Something voice) Imagine multiple self-driving cars, moving together in a conga line, running every hour of every day, at consistent trains. To allow for consumer freedom, these cars would operate on a "hop-on, hop-off" model, where passengers can get on or off at any one of per-designated stops. For simplicity's sake, and to better manage the strain this would put on the road, these cars would have exclusive "self-driving car chain"-only roads. Since these cars would only ever require basic movement, their inner workings could be streamlined, such as by chaining each car together, and using one "engine car" in front, cutting costs and reducing production time, by removing the need for each car to have a steering mechanism and combustion engine. And if this idea sounds familiar...
Adam Conover?
No, it's a YouTube channel named "Adam Something"
I'm excited for the "self-driving" tractor trailers...
i love tessler
Plot twist: the drivers name was John Connor
Read the headline as "flips off car" and was pleased to see they hit a new milestone in mimicking human drivers.
Tesla ~~Full-Self Driving~~ Driver Veers Off Road, Hits Tree, and Flips Car for No Obvious Reason
FTFY