We can go two ways. Either we squander the lead, or we grow it.
Fortunately, very little in this strategy depends on American investment or American technology. For instance
"Shell’s Scotford Upgrader captured 77% of its carbon emissions in 2022 ..."
"ArcelorMittal Dofasco in Ontario plans to end the use of coal in its plants,..."
"inclusion of hydrogen in the Canada-EU High-Level Energy Dialogue, active since 2007, where Canada and the EU collaborate on mutual goals ..."
"the Canada-Japan Energy Policy Dialogue, active since 2019, which signed an updated Action Plan for 2023 to 2025 ..."
"the May 2023 Memorandum of Understanding with South Korea on cooperation in critical mineral supply chains, the clean energy tran..."
"the August 2022 Joint Declaration of Intent to establish a Canada-Germany Hydrogen Alliance, which seeks to create ...
"the 2021 Memorandum of Understanding between Canada and the Netherlands on cooperation in the field of hydrogen energy, w..."
"In the East, Atlantic Canada’s abundant and untapped wind resources and immediate proximity to Atlantic shipping routes will allow wind-to-hydrogen electrolysis projects to become reliable suppliers of clean hydrogen to Germany and other European markets. Germany has announced its intention to import up to 50-70 percent of its hydroge..."
Are all points that reflect a Canadian strategy to globalize our hydrogen policies.
Incidentally, recent developments and explorations on naturally-occurring free (unbound to other elements) hydrogen deposits, once thought impossible, now indicate that Canada's unique geology of natural rock formations could make it one of the world's largest sources of naturally-occurring free hydrogen. Enough to power the world for hundreds of years.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/bakx-white-hydrogen-natural-mali-1.7094645
And Newfoundland-Labrador, with its abundance of renewable electrical generation, could make it a world center for hydrogen from electrolysis (it is now one of the leading world centers for current projects).
Let's not drop the ball on this one,, or let the Americans take it away from us like they did the Avro.
You are not trying to have a discussion, you are trying to proselytize. The export of hydrogen as ammonia produced by non-fossil-fuel energy input is quite clearly dominant in the future hydrogen energy strategy. You can pull up all the small tidbits you want to support your proselytizing, but be clear that is all they are, small tidbits, in the overall strategy.
I'm not proselytizing anything. I raised some concerns and you told me that I'm either uninformed or some kind of anti-hydrogen shill. You made no real attempt at engaging with what I said and you brush off the other commenter's in the thread that are also skeptical of the viability of hydrogen. What's the point of your post if you are going to attack anyone that has questions or skepticism about a technology that you are pumping up?
I have no problem with those who bring factual considered qualified material to the table. I have a big issue with posters who bring spurious facts and points to the table just to push some dogma or other. You are anti-hydrogen just for the sake of being anti-hydrogen, without any consideration of the facts.
When did I say I was anti-hydrogen? I said I was skeptical of the promises and concerned that a lot of hype around hydrogen is to help greenwash oil and gas. If you want to talk about ignoring the facts, then why you keep ignoring that a large portion of current and projected future production is going to be from geological sources?
And you are equating geological sources with just oil and gas? Well water comes from a 'geological source'. Are you skeptical about the claims of the benefits of well water? Are all wells just a pretense for greenwashing the oil and gas industry?
Like I said, proselytizing your dogma. Trying to distort and obfuscate so that everything falls in your dogmatic proselytizing.
Okay now you are just being purposely obtuse. Geological sources of hydrogen are primarily sourced from oil and gas reservoirs. Reservoirs that are dominantly hydrogen are very rare as discussed in the report you linked but in theory much cleaner than hydrogen produced by fossil fuel extraction. My issue is not with the "geological" part of hydrogen it's with the "fossil fuel" part.
What exactly are you trying to prove here? That the modern and projected hydrogen industry in Canada doesn't have any significant component related to fossil fuel extraction? Because the report you linked clearly indicates otherwise.
If you really want to engage on the existing methods that these companies use to capture and sequester carbon during fossil fuel and hydrogen production, we can talk about that. Instead you are here again suggesting that the issues I raise are illegitimate because I am using accurate and generic terminology for hydrogen extracted from the earth (mostly during fossil fuel production).
But perhaps I'm being selfish here, focusing the discussion on my concerns and questions. You very clearly do not want to talk about the potential issues and pitfalls of pumping up the hydrogen industry in Canada, so what is it you wanted to talk about on this topic?
No, the main geological resources of hydrogen are NOT from oil and gas. Read the links. Natural occurring geological sources of unbound hydrogen gas (not in association with oil and gas) are plentiful enough to provide our energy needs for hundreds of years, and Canada has the appropriate geology to have a substantial amount of these deposits. Also, you keep completely ignoring that the ammonia sent to Europe from the Maritime provinces is primarily from the electrolysis of water using non-fossil-fuel energy. You WANT it to be from gas and oil wells only because that is what fits your narrative, your dogma, and your proselytizing.
As far as I am aware, there are no unbound hydrogen gas reserves currently in production or even close to production. More than half of the currently operating hydrogen facilities in Canada are natural gas sources. Almost a third of all currently planned future production is from natural gas sources. This is in the report you linked.
Im not talking about the electrolysis facilities in the maritimes because i dont have issues with them. I am still skeptical of the long term payoff of such an industry, but my bigger concern is the subsidies that go to fossil fuel companies due to all the hype around hydrogen. I would be very happy if all future hydrogen facilities were just electrolysis facilities, but that is not going to be the case.
This is just a circular conversation at this point. I can only repeat myself so many times. I don't know if you work in thr hydrogen industry or if you're just a big fan of it, but ignoring real issues does not serve the promotion of it. If government is pumping in a bunch of money to promote and develop an industry, it's very reqsonable to ask where that money is going and whether it's actually going to provide the returns we expect.
Here is my point. We either go gangbusters in Canada into pouring investment dollars into exploring for white hydrogen, or America is going to do it and get there ahead of us.
https://koloma.com/resource/726/
Koloma is an American company.
It is people like you who absolutely insist because of their dogma, in proselytizing against Canada getting ahead of the game and being front and center in white hydrogen production. 'Oh. let's not do it, let's let America get ahead, because, well, the oil and gas industry are conspiring to side track Canada's efforts for their own interests."
Always, for the anti-development proselytizers, they use the Oil and Gas conspiracy as an excuse not to do anything.
"As far as I am aware,"
Like I stated, you are just not aware of the facts, now by your own admission. You just do not know anything except your own dogmatic proselytizing. There is a facility in Mali that has been going hydrogen extraction since 2012.
https://hydrogen-central.com/first-kind-discovery-mali-vast-reservoirs-clean-hydrogen-gas/