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And all the countries that allow guns suffer from frequent mass shootings, right? Because access to guns is the cause of social violence.
The easier it is to access guns, the more mass shootings there appear to be in the country, yes. Access to guns is the cause of gun violence. No one has claimed that access to guns is the cause of all violence.
If someone’s goal is to kill 20 kids, having access to a gun makes that goal substantially easier to accomplish.
Well go on, show me the violent crime stats by country so that we can compare to semiauto long gun regs. It would also be nice if we could see before and after stats but I know that's a tall ask and I'm not trying to be a sealion. Let's just see violent crime stats, maybe just homicides per 1 million or similar. It sounds like you have access to this data.
Don't show me only the mass shooting stats. We're not trying to reduce mass shootings, we're trying to reduce violence. We're not trying to avoid having to see guns, we're trying to avoid having to see bloodshed. I know, I know. You want to point out that mass shootings are a vector of violence that can be remedied by removing guns. This is true, taking away rights does mute a lot of issues related to irresponsible management of those rights. But you've been brushing off my suggestions that there are more just and fair ways to address that vector for this entire conversation. So let's table that specific response of yours for now, and let's just see the violence stats before moving on.
Here’s a study on gun ownership vs gun deaths:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3828709/
Here’s a graphic showing gun ownership by country:
https://www.graphicnews.com/en/pages/42747/firearms-civilian-gun-ownership-by-country
As you can see, the US is almost 4 times higher than the next highest country.
And here’s a graphic showing the number of mass shootings by country:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country
Again, you can see that the US tops the chart by a huge margin (more than 5 times).
We can’t really compare based on just violence alone, because any country in active conflict severely skews the data. You’d have to include only countries in peacetime. But you can certainly compare based on gun violence, because the US always trends very high. Even when you include countries in active conflict, the US compares to them in gun violence. So, living in the US is similar to living in a country involved in active conflict with regard to gun violence.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/2024/oct/comparing-deaths-gun-violence-us-other-countries