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Israel’s defense minister warned Saturday that “Tehran will burn” if Iran continues firing missiles, as the two countries traded blows a day after Israel launched a blistering surprise attack on Iranian nuclear and military sites, killing several top generals.

Israel’s military said the strikes also killed nine senior scientists and experts involved in Iran’s nuclear program. Iran’s U.N. ambassador said 78 people were killed and more than 320 wounded.

Iran retaliated by launching waves of drones and ballistic missiles at Israel, where explosions lit the night skies over Jerusalem and Tel Aviv and shook buildings. The Israeli military urged civilians, already rattled by 20 months of war in Gaza sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, to head to shelter for hours. Health officials said three people were killed and dozens wounded.

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[–] avidamoeba 19 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Bibi told the Iranian people to rise up against their government, and I...agreed with him?

Well, consider how similar regime changes have gone in recent history. Instability, failed states, mass terrorist organization. It's not impossible to get a better outcome if Iran's regime is overthrown, but odds aren't on their side. And then you have the actions of Bibi when this sort of thing happened in Syria - taking territory, bombing them, despite their pleadings for peace. None of this is good for getting a stable democratic governance as societies under threat go authoritarian to be able to act more quickly and efficiently in order to protect themselves. So while on the surface you might agree with Bibi, if you think about what that actually means, Bibi might want something else than that. Another failed state they can bomb if they feel any threat without repercussions because "terrorism" could be a lesser threat than a democratic economic and inevitably military power with much larger population that can wipe Israel if attacked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

Hmm, you make good points.