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Oil And Gas Companies Shirking Responsibility For $123 Billion In Cleanup Costs: Report (www.readthemaple.com)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

By law, lobbying isn’t bribing. Or else you wouldn’t see so much of it so blatantly in the States.

It happens in every government, here as well. Just not as obvious.

I'm not talking about here. I'm talking about a hypothetical country with a free market.

You're right that no such country exists in real life, but then you blame the nonexistent free market for our problems, which makes no sense. How can you blame our problems on something that doesn't exist?

Market forces always drive towards whatever is cheapest and pushes for the greatest profits, and a billionaire is going to be far likely to get their way than a few thousand people who combined still make less than 10% of that one guy. It takes a colossal combined effort to move a massive mountain of cash.

That is certainly true, and that's why we have antitrust law (pity it's not enforced), but keep in mind that the rich quite often use violence to get their way, not just money. Elon Musk, for example, inherited his wealth from his father, and his father got his wealth by enslaving people.

[–] Dearche 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

True free markets don't exist here, or almost anywhere in the world (thankfully). But that doesn't mean that free market tendencies don't happen. Lots of companies take advantage of the countless loopholes and blind spots in the regulations that exist, and in those places act like a free market.

Two big examples are lobbying and lawsuits. Both are things that give you massive advantages just by having a lot of money to push around, and both that tend to be pretty consequence free if done right.

I don't deny that the rich use blatantly illegal methods as well. You'd be amazed at how much sexual violence is committed in the entertainment industries. Lots of powerful people in that industry do that sort of stuff so they have blackmail material on up and coming talent in case they try to report on the stuff they witness. It's one of the reasons why so many of them suffer from mental issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Two big examples are lobbying and lawsuits. Both are things that give you massive advantages just by having a lot of money to push around, and both that tend to be pretty consequence free if done right.

Lobbying and lawsuits both involve government intervention in business affairs. That's the opposite of a free market.