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Imagine having to get a judge to signoff on any other medical procedure, and it really highlights the absurdity.
...this feels a lot like the death panels a certain sect was screeching about back in 2008/2009
Damn, a real world example of South Park's Blame Canada!
eh?
“They’re not even a real country anyway.”
/s
"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled."
Slate says hello....from 2013.
Canada quite literally does have "Death Panels". Regardless of how you feel about the UHC debate that part wasn't made up.
America has them too. The above is from the same Slate article you linked.
Maybe don't just pick and choose portions of an article that match your confirmation bias.
I never said they didn't but I will point that America's version pretty much just assigns guardianship and decision making authority to one guardian or another in the case of a dispute. The Ontario version can actually TAKE guardianship from someone and make decisions about care on their own authority.
Regardless of how it works in America the point stands. Canada's "Death Panels" were not a fabrication. The "Consent and Capacity Board" of Ontario exists.
I'd much prefer a panel if doctors deciding my fate rather than my mother or my father who may be blinded by their own emotions.
Even more if my family members were part of a sect like the Jehovah's witnesses, for whom not even blood transfusions are acceptable. How stupid do you have to be to leave a loved one to die just to follow the instructions given by illiterate people living 2000 years ago? This kind of decisions should be informed but should also have limits around them. Keeping religion outside if this realm should be a very clear one for instance
Wow at the gymnastics and hoop jumping of that article to try to apply a term that does not match the common fear mongering use of the word or even the situation. Classic clickbait headline.
You should listen to the podcast.
Care to point out the "gymnastics and hoop jumping" in the article? Canada does in fact have Governmental bodies that can and will over ride the wishes of close family and / or guardians even when doing so will mean someone's death. In Ontario that body is called the " Consent and Capacity Board.". That isn't "fear mongering" it's fact and it definitely matches up with the commonly used idea behind the idiom "Death Panel".
I don't need to listen to a 24 minute podcast to learn something that the government of Ontario has already openly talked about.
Lol you want people to read your links while you ignore other people's links. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. The very definition of living in a self chosen echo chamber of clickbait headlines.
Because it's not a death panel when it's a corporation that has a financial incentive to deny you
Instead, I have to wait for the insurance company to sign off on every medical procedure. Not the same, but still garbage.
It's not the first time.
Ehh...I think that's a little different in that they needed a judge to determine who had the right to make medical decisions for her. The judge themselves weren't making the call for what should be done, only if it was her husband or parents who had the right to make medical decisions.
This is more along the lines of my appendix is on the verge of bursting. I want it removed. My doctor recommends removal and is willing and able to do so. The govt says I don't think it's bad enough yet and if you do it now I will criminally charge you. Wait until it explodes and you are at risk for sepsis before I will allow you to undergo surgery, despite the fact I have zero medical experience.
Fair point, I hadn't thought of it in those terms.
Related, could you imagine having to ask a private, for profit, organization for permission? The same organization that would have to pay money out?
Good thing we avoided those death panels.
That death panel thing was so fucking stupid. And when it proved to be nonsense, everyone just pretended they weren’t yelling about it constantly.
Oh it's anything but nonsense. They exist today, in health insurers when deciding whether or not to pay out.
You know what I mean lol
How did they get proved nonsense don't we have health insurance companies staffed by clowns doing the "death panel" jobs?
That's literally what we've had for decades. The ACA did not invent it and it's not quite the same as what was being claimed by the right during the late 2000's/2010's.
Exactly, the death panels have always been around.
Mouth breezer boomers have no issue with private company doing the job though since teevee said that was "ok"
Judge Dredd
Judge, jury, and executioner
FEMA Camps staffed by Obama death panels is the proper solution to the elder problem we are facing.
It's a bit like gas stoves. I was reading about gas stoves being popular in the US and apparently right wing media like fox news and the like have been going on about induction stoves being communist and Biden coming to get your gas stove. Here's a perfectly sane member of congress tweeting about it:
https://twitter.com/RonnyJacksonTX/status/1612839703018934274?t=ptxUxaAhqE1ax8FwY15cyA
Apparently they're trying or tried to make that part of the culture war.
Thing is, I don't live in the US. So at my local ikea, gas stoves were in the bargain corner at something like 70% off. Can't seem to get rid of the things, because most people now realise induction is safer, often better, fast, and that gas stoves emit harmful levels of stuff like benzene and NO2.