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Are these changing consumer habits mostly being driven by how insanely expensive and low quality milk products are becoming? Canadian cheese and butter are trash and cost an arm and a leg - especially when you get into goat and sheep cheeses that a lot of lactose intolerant west coasters prefer.
Having had the cheese available in America, I have to say better grasses makes better cheese.
I refute your assessment of Canadian cheese, my good man, and I shall be available by the flagpole after recess. It's a duel.
Oh we're definitely better than America but we should be able to match up against Europe.
Have you ever tried Beacher's cheese? You should try some good quality cheese before dismissing all American made cheese.
I've actually had some splendid American cheese but it's quite the rarity. Grafton is a solid brand and some of their aged cheddars are amazing.
Source on Canadian cheese being better.
Why are you getting down voted so much? You are absolutely right. Canadian milk products (including milk) are complete garbage. We can thank our milk cartels for that, plus the really stupid regulations put into place over concerns of germs that basically limits the amount of raw or non-homogenized milk on the market.
How come most of Europe can produce far superior tasting cheeses and also consume fresh milk from milk vending machines, but there's an inane control on it in North America?
"lactose intolerant West coasters"
As a lactose intolerant west coaster I'm really confused if that's setting people off. We've got a huge Asian population out here and lactose intolerance is much higher among them. Personally, while we're not of Asian descent both me and my partner are lactose intolerant so finding reasonable dairy products that don't give us diarrhea is a priority - and we're not shy of making our own stovetop cheese if all we can get is milk.
Right, the dude used it as a flippant insult as if lactose intolerance is a West Coast fad when in reality there's lactose intolerance is everywhere and isn't a fad
Checks out, I'm from the west coast and I'm intolerant of lactose products of poor quality.
But fuck thoese milk drinkers back east.
Shit bro getting downvoted by the dairy industry π
We're talking about milk here, not milk products.
Is milk somehow not a milk product? I think my point stands for milk products in general - goat milk is insanely expensive in Canada and it's not significantly more expensive to produce than cow's milk.
How is the quality of cheese relevant to the sale of bagged milk?
You're not making cheese with dirt and flowers.
Nor are most people making cheese with bagged milk from the grocery stores.
There are probably some slight differences between milk used for further processing and milk sold directly to consumers but it's of a very similar quality. A lot of cheese in Canada is made from third party milk rather than milk produced on premises.
You can make the argument that the quality of milk in general is dropping, and that's reflected in the quality of milk products. But to say that poor quality of milk products themselves are driving the decrease in milk consumption? I don't see how the logic follows.
Do you usually make the cheeses you buy in the grocery store?
Your argument makes no sense.
I don't. That's my point.
Where do you think the milk in cheese comes from?
Milk purchased in bulk from dairy farms, not bagged milk from the grocery stores.
Do you think milk from dairy farms and milk in cheese products come from different sources?? [They don't]
Cheese producer buys milk from farm X to make cheese. Grocery store also buys bagged milk from farm X. Cheese producer makes low quality cheese. How will that lead to people buying less bagged milk?
I said this in another branch of this thread, but I'll repeat it here. You can make the argument that low quality milk from farm X leads to people buying less milk, but I don't see how low quality cheese can cause people to buy less milk.
You don't see how consumers would equate bad milk with bad cheese? We're done here. You have no clue what you're talking about.
It's literally in this thread.
I don't. If the milk I get from grocery stores taste good to me, why would I drink less of it if there's no good cheese?