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Nearly all major car companies are sabotaging EV transition, and Japan is worst, study finds. (thedriven.io)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The US has imposed 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs, and the EU is considering increasing its tariffs. I'm sympathetic to the worker/industry protection argument, but many people will look at decent EVs being sold in China for $15,000 & feel they are being cheated.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Chinese products should be banned in general. They are produced with literal slaves and sold as a net loose because they want to destroy the competition.

That the company's here are deliberately making shit is another story and they should be severely punished for that.

[–] Fiivemacs 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget...majority wouldn't also use an operating system designed by China, but they have no issues payi g for the same thing in a car with multiple cameras driving around.

People are really starting to lose their minds with these EVs and China..

[–] Nomecks 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well local companies refuse to sell us small cars. What are we supposed to do?

[–] Fiivemacs 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, I bought a small car in the last 12..zero issues in finding one or paying for it.

[–] Nomecks 3 points 9 months ago

What kind?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

The car can absolutely kill you btw... Like they even hacked a tesla and could remote control it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

net loose

really?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I haven't had time to look into detail, but are the tariffs for complete vehicles only, or for parts (e.g. batteries) too? Any decent links or blogs (preferably not news sites) to get a neutral overview?

[–] yimby 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes it affects parts too, at least batteries. Stifling electric car production isn't enough, ebikes get caught in the crossfire too.

https://arstechnica.com/?p=2026997

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

So, from a linked article to the one you sent, it looks like batteries themselves are included in the tarrifs

https://www.wired.com/story/new-ev-china-tariffs-biden/

Electric vehicle batteries and battery components will also be subject to new tariffs—Chinese lithium-ion battery tariffs rise from 7.5 percent to 25 percent, and rates for Chinese critical minerals, including manganese and cobalt, will move from 0 percent to 25 percent.

But from the link you sent, for ebikes it appears only their batteries are included and complete bikes are not clearly defined (which I would assume to be not explicitly included at this stage)?

In a written statement, Angela Perez, a spokesperson for the USTR, said that e-bike batteries imported from China on their own will be subject to new tariffs of 25 percent in 2026, up from 7.5 percent.

But it’s unclear whether imported complete e-bikes, as well as other cycling products including children’s bicycles and bicycle trailers, might be affected by new US trade policies. These products have technically been subject to 25 percent tariffs since the Trump administration. But US trade officials have consistently used exclusions to waive tariffs for many of those cycling products. The latest round of exclusions are set to expire at the end of this month.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

How do they expect an EV transition with 80% of the companies building them under tariff, and the ones people can afford also under tariff. You need to get product in the hands of the consumer.. I propose that since no US makers are in the under $20k MSRP range for EV then we should relax tariffs on vehicles in that price range. This will get product into consumer hands, keep Chinese car prices down, and ensure GM, and such profits from their nasty huge SUV and trucks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

No, slavery and dealing with oppressive totalitarian regimes is never okay.