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I interpret the inscription to be paying tribute to the soldiers of the confederacy, essentially traitors. Rip it down, but do it very very carefully. They better be damn sure they're not going to disturb resting heroes.
The fact that you interpret the monument's inscription incorrectly does not mean it should be torn down.
The fact that one person read it that way, or as at least ambiguous, actually does support it being torn down. Regardless, it'll be gone soon.
One person misinterpreting something does not set the meaning. Take the song Under the Blade by twisted sister, Tipper Gore on her censorship quest, claimed it was a violent song. In truth she was a pearl clutching idiot that didn't know song was about guitarist Eddie Ojeda having surgery.
I have no idea what to do here. All I know is that it's going to be a shit show if I don't do something.
Can you guys be civil? This is a monument to unification, not rebellion.
Fuck it, consider this a warning to everyone who comments here, do not call for violence. Do not pretend the confederacy was good. Slavery and war crimes are bad. Those who comment otherwise will get the ban hammer.
So clearly you’re going to support its removal, because we are a union now and we can replace it with another thing celebrating how great our union is now and not celebrating some of the darkest times in our country’s history.
Let’s see some support for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and not this “it’s about unification” traitor crap you’re saying now.
If keeping this post up is “pro-conservative” and “anti-left” then you’re making a bold statement you can’t just wash away with that “slavery is bad” lip service. We know what you are.
It's not celebrating the confederacy, it already is celebrating how great our union is now ("Now" being when it was put up). Did you read the article?
And the "pro-conservative/anti-left" angle is that it's literally conserving a part of our history, the reunification, and the left are the ones trying to push for the destruction of monuments. Not really what I meant by pro-conservative, but it still counts.
I did notice that the issue you had with the confederacy was that it was a rebellion, and not the slavery. You repeated rebellion/traitor over several sentences, you didn't even mention slavery. Is rebellion worse than slavery, in your opinion?
Never actually said the word “rebellion,” as you suggest. Called you a traitor specifically. Only once, not repeatedly. Did you actually read the comment? I don’t need to bring up all the points of the civil war, I think we all know those by now. This is all about you being a traitor and a hypocrite. Stay on topic.
Again, is rebellion worse than slavery, in your opinion?
Stop deflecting.
We’re talking about you and your refusal to say “I don’t support anything the confederacy stood for.”
Do it.
Look, the reason I think you're being disingenuous is I explicitly stated "Do not pretend the confederacy was good." To me, that's a clear indication that I don't support the confederacy. So to just be absolutely clear, I do not support slavery, slavery is evil, and I think what you're asking is a trap somehow, even if I can't spot exactly how it's a trap.
And that goes doubly so that you're still deflecting. Is rebellion worse than slavery?
I don’t support anything the confederacy stood for. See? Easy. Do it.
Whats the trap?
I feel like that specific wording is key to the trap. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
But fuck it, I'll walk into the trap and take the bait.
I don’t support anything the confederacy stood for.
Your turn. Is rebellion worse than slavery?
Only in the case where the rebellion is fighting for slavery and not against it.
There is no trap.
So take the post down, because if you don’t you’re saying it’s pro-conservative (by your own rules) and that conservatives support the confederacy.
This type of thing shouldn’t even be talked about. The statue represents a fight for evil.
The statue represents a fight for evil.
You correct. It represents the Democrats and their attempt to keep slavery. It's exactly why it should be kept to remind people that the Democrats fought for slavery and continue to divide people by race even now.
Except it doesn't. It represents the exact opposite, that the fight against evil was won.
So no, I'm not taking it down.
They aren’t “heroes” as the statue would suggest.
Good. I hate this movement to just go tearing down statues.
It's a statue for traitors.
OK and? That doesn't negate what I said