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A huge battery has replaced Hawaii's last coal plant::undefined

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wasn't very clear but the battery will be charged using existing renewable sources.

The headline is poorly worded since coal is energy production and batteries are energy storage.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I assume they used to fire up the coal plant to fill gaps but now use the battery which stores excess energy generated.

Edit:

The plant’s 185 megawatts of instantaneous discharge capacity match what the old coal plant could inject into the grid, though the batteries react far more quickly, with a 250-millisecond response time. Instead of generating power, they absorb it from the grid, ideally when it’s flush with renewable generation, and deliver that cheap, clean power back in the evening hours when it’s desperately needed.

Seems pretty clear to me.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Coal is also energy storage, well, all fossil fuels. That's their primary advantage, on-demand easily accessible stores of energy.

If only they didn't simultaneously pollute and cook the earth when used...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

They are stored solar energy! Releasing the energy also unfortunately releases the carbon into the atmosphere.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

No, the plant is full of primary batteries! 4.2 million AA cells!

[–] weew 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

in terms of usage though, they are quite similar. Coal serves on-demand power, whereas renewables generate power at times that don't always align with demand. Batteries can take the role of a coal plant if the renewables already generate sufficient energy, just at the wrong times.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All our "energy production" just converts energy from one state into another. Like a battery.

A dam is often referred to as a giant gravity potential energy battery.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The child in me just wants there to be a larger-than-life D-cell battery looming on the horizon.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Hawaii, I hope you all got that larger than life D.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The question is, what brand? Duracell?, Eveready?, Energizer?

Oh my pkcell...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Pkcell for sure. Just be careful with your dingus!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It reads "158 Tesla Megapacks". But yeah, these could contain Duracell :D

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The fabled Z cell

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the batteries react far more quickly, with a 250-millisecond response time.

Probably also a world record for the most powerful power switch.

Just imagine you press that button, and 185 Megawatts start to flow :-)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

They didn't say react all at once. I bet you it's a much slower ramp up.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"I cast lightning bolt"

Flicks switch

[–] Pxtl 6 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I tap two islands...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is awesome, but now we need better battery tech that doesn't rely on lithium and cobalt. Getting that up to this scale will be hard, though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's some promising headway with molten sodium-sulfur batteries. Not only are they at similar capacity as lithium, but their molten nature allows for the batteries to store energy long-term. The downside is a low cycle rate and the heating requirement. Another promising battery tech is sodium ion batteries, which can use iron as a cathode to output similar power and cycling as lithium

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This application needs the opposite of that. They need lots and lots of cycles, easy to maintain, and density is not much of an issue.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Sodium-sulfur batteries are designed for the role of grid storage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Iron-Air batteries will fill that role

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How much electricity do the batteries produce vs the previous power plant?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

None. But still it gives power when it's dark and solar panels stop producing power. It's a miracle.