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[–] [email protected] 124 points 2 years ago (4 children)

A fool and his money are soon parted. From the same class of vehicles that tried to lock heated seats behind a monthly subscription.

You know what's nice? Those cars can F right off. I won't buy one new. And never will buy one used.

Always will be "budget" cars (Corolla, Civic, Versa, etc.) that won't screw around with this crap because the buyers can't afford to screw around with it.

TRY to paywall a heated seat in a Civic. I dare Honda. It won't be more than 10 minutes before someone has it badly wired up like an aftermarket subwoofer.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Even Toyota is doing this now. They locked features like the digital tire pressure gauge behind a paywall on their app.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't a tire pressure monitoring system legally required on all cars now?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It is, but the minimum requirement is a "low pressure" notification when tire pressure drops past a certain point. So instead of a gauge you'd get a warning light.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Never EVER would I buy a car from any manufacturer that does this.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You might not have a choice if they all decide to do it. Companies are actually kinda good at that kind of collective actions sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago

When this becomes the norm. I look to the jailbreak community for hope.

I WILL download a car!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

In my area it would take a whole 5 seconds before people either jenk mod it or otherwise jailbreak it. Ive seen VW vans from the 50s with fucking V8 diesel engines around here, folks dont need the guts just the frame.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

It's jank modding time!! I know nothing about cars but I'm really good at making something resemble working

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We said that when the Oblivion horse armor released. And look where we are now.

At some point basically everyone will do it and marketing will fo the rest.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Oblivion doesn’t cost $50k+ to buy. If these greedy fuckers think they can RENT me parts of a car I already own, they can go fuck themselves.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

John Deere has entered the chat

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Neither would I, but the majority of these cars are going into corporate fleets. I'll have one at the end of the year. I assume corporate isn't going to pay for the optionals so I'll be stuck with a crippled car through no choice of my own.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can you at least unlock it later with experience points or in-game currency?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Is money just irl in game currency?

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Welcome to the world of digital subscriptions boys. It used to be a PC only thing... not any more.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well.. Plenty of cars are actually becoming a rideable PC where “ride” is just an option too. This is one of this things where I can’t decide, is it more sad, scary or stupid.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's moneeeyy. That's all there is to it, money. They finally have an easy way to control what you can or can't do with the things that (at least on paper) you own.

I just knew this was gonna happen... I warned about these things ever since music/movie subscriptions became a thing. You don't own a copy of what you (allegidly) bought, thus, it's not yours.

Now, you do own the thing... at least on paper, but you can't do much with it unless you pay extra cash to the one who sold it to you, so it can... you know, do the things it's supposed to do. It's basically extortion, no matter how you slice it. It's malware, period.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's time to root cars, it looks like.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And lose all warranty? Nah rather buy a car from someone else

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Until they are all doing it

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Let's build open source cars.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I like the enthusiasm, but I have no idea how a community driven project would interface with the appropriate regulatory boards to perform the safety tests to make such a vehicle street legal.

Even if we got a prototype through that, the organization would then have to take on the burden of ensuring every build lived up to the prototype, and that would almost definitely go against the spirit of being community driven.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

I mean, there are car builder kits.

The DIY urban transportation community has settled on an even more portable solution called the "e-bike." It can tow a trailer of cargo or small kids, and makes city parking much easier.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We are getting closer to Mitch Hedberg’s vision of each car getting only 3 honks per month

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

India will have a real problem in a couple of decades... Or they will make their own models with unlimited lifetime honks.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago

Pay 2 win on a car.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Those new Mercs look fucking hideous too

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 years ago

BMW and Mercedes are in a competition to make the ugliest and most user unfriendly cars on the market.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Just don’t upgrade your firmware so you can jailbreak it later.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Or just don't buy a car that needs to connect to the internet. This is beyond stupid

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Virgin car ownership vs chad mass transit

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Which is all of them. All of them need to be connected, it's how they operate now. Most of them have decency to not do shit like that, but that might change at any point

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Time to pull up my big boy undies and start riding my bike. That sucker ain’t controlled by anyone but me. <middle finger to the car companies, wobbles down the road on a two-wheeler>

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (4 children)

way above my paycheck, the paywall it is, the car also, but who cares... time to stop buying cars, and use the public transport and bikes... better for the environment anyway.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

It is the right decision for some mass transportation, but you can't make cars obsolete with public transportation. Especially outside major cities.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

IOTs are pushing us towards subscription hell-scape. We must demand dumb, non-connected machines and devices.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Considering "faster engine" means different tune on the exact same engine nowadays: not much has changed.
Fuck morons who pay this so the corps will continue to do this. They wouldn't even consider it if people with more money than sense didn't pay for it. Everything is enshittified until we live in Idiocracy.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

We’re getting closer to “you wouldn’t download a car” being outdated, if more cars start pushing most of their functionality from behind a paywall.

It’s not something I’m happy to see.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

To what extent could companies wreck my freedom in cars even more? I have heard of heated seats being pay walled, despite the technology to heat the seat being installed in the factory... Computer controlled locking systems where if my key fob breaks I can't get into my car, or worse, the electronic control system fails and I'm up shit creek without a paddle.

As to education, how can I even learn to repair something like that? My ignorance makes me think soldering may be useful, but how can an individual have greater control on the freedom to repair and own their automobile. The generality of my question lays in my ignorance to the inner workings of most cars.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago

I have never owned or operated a car and this doesn't really make me want to.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@kaptaan_jack @memes Tesla is the new Apple in innovating/stupid ways to part money from people then to be adopted by wider industry

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At this point, if they can get away charging their customer each time they open and close the door, they would.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Somebody will figure out how to get past it, even if the manufacturer protests. It's happened with Iphones, it's happened with John Deere tractors, it will happen here

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hello everyone. Cars suck, we need to mostly ditch cars.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Although I enthusiastically agree, that's a little off-topic to be the takeaway from this particular kind of article.

In this case, the issue to be outraged about is that the corporations are violating our property rights in order to engage in illegal rentiership. As owners, we have the right to modify our own property, including to unlock the full potential of the physical machine, and no amount of DRM or the DMCA anti-circumvention clause should be allowed to change that!

That doesn't need any kind of new "right to repair" or anything either; it is inherent to the definitions of what "property" and "ownership" are! I mean sure, we should impose requirements for products to be better designed for repairability and have documentation and spare parts available, but lots of people seem to think what Mecedes etc. are doing is currently within their rights, and that's just crazy talk. These things aren't legitimate subscriptions; they're a protection racket! Trying to hold capabilities hostage that the device owner already paid for (by virtue of having bought the physical device) is literally criminal and company executives ought to be going to prison for it.

Anyway, to get back to addessing your comment: even if we do fix the zoning code to make cities walkable (which we definitely should do, by the way) and cars become a niche product that only rural people and folks who have to drive around as part of their job have, it still doesn't fix this issue because (a) it's important to protect the rights of owners even of niche products, and even more importantly (b) cars are hardly the only product category that manufacturers are trying to pull this shit in anyway.

TL;DR: stopping the erosion of ownership and fixing car dependency are orthogonal issues, this article is concerned with the former, and your suggestion only addresses the latter.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Public transportation FTW.

But here in the US that will literally never happen.

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