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A collection of some classic Lemmy memes for your enjoyment
A friendly reminder that isps do NOT care about you or your digital rights. Always best to buy directly from the OEM rather than from the telecommunications (unless you can't afford it). Do proper research before buying a phone!
ISP locking doesn't make any sense, why should they care if I use stock Android or GraphineOS?
Because the core reason is about control. They don't want users to have the option or freedom to install an OS of their choice because it could hurt their "precious" revenue
A lot of carrier phones come with carrier preinstalled apps. And it allows for sim locking, keeping you trapped with them or other carriers on the same network. Or at least that’s how it has been, back in the day, when sim-locking still was legal in the EU. Now, phones are the same, whether they come from your carrier or retail.
Their stated reason is to mitigate theft by preventing removal of software that binds the device to the network and account, and to protect their network by blocking paths to custom roms including potentially custom radio firmware.
The real reason is likely a blend of protecting leased devices for resale value, keeping people from removing "sponsored" apps or ones that make them money, and distrust of users ability to not get tricked into abject stupid choices.
There's also ad blocking via the hosts file
You don't think they care that you're attempting to circumvent their data collection on you?
They care because some users don’t actually own their phones and the carrier wants to keep strings attached, or they want to impose artificial software restrictions like preventing or limiting hotspot data.
Even when none of those conditions apply, you still often must deal with the locked boot loader. It’s BS.
This is why you never, ever, buy a phone from a carrier
The concept was always bizarre to me. It's like getting a PC as part of your broadband contract. Speaking of, it would make more sense to get a phone as part of your broadband contract, my phone is 95% an internet device. That it happens to have a SIM card in it is a minor feature.
my phone is 95% an internet device. That it happens to have a SIM card in it is a minor feature.
I seriously wonder how long carriers will keep handing out phone numbers to data-only devices. It has to be a serious cost for them to provision out so many numbers plus it only contributes to the phone number exhaustion problem that happens in many areas codes. For example my work has about 1000 training iPads we've shipped out, all with phone numbers local to our main office, purely for the purposes of connecting to mobile data. Any messaging/phone apps the Apple might proload are removed via the MDM so they really never use the phone number for anything. And I imagine the company I work for is not a minority in doing something like that given how cheap iPads are to deploy at scale for anything that just needs to run a web browser and nothing else
That is carrier specific. My carrier will happily sell you a data-only SIM or eSIM, at a discount even.
I'm curious, do they have phone numbers tied to them?
Edit: a quick internet search confirms my suspicion, they do have a number assigned but are unable to make/receive calls or texts
Especially US carriers. Elsewhere, it varies.
Expensive, but worth it.
Usually not even that bad, I buy a 1-2y old unlocked phone on fleabay for <= ~$400 when it's time for an upgrade and I'm set for 3y or so
Last couple of phones I've bought have been pixel a-series, new. Only reason I've felt I had to upgrade what the phone no longer getting security updates.
and I'm set for 3y or so
Whoa, mine hold around 7 years.
I usually move on once it's time for a battery replacement - I can get ~$100-150 back by selling the old phone and I get a newer camera out of the upgrade at the same time.
It works out to be something like $8-10/mo spent in the end (or ~$12/mo if I keep the old phone for some reason) so it's not terribly expensive in the end.
This and bootkits.
Buy a phone not tied to a carrier
Easy if you have money. If a new phone is a financial stretch, then in the short term it can be cheaper to get a nice phone for "free" with carrier lock in (which of course means it wasn't free at all). It probably ends up being more expensive in the long term, but your paycheck can cover it.
You can actually get financing directly from Google who make the Pixel line of phones themselves, with bootloader unlocked as an option. So there is absolutely zero reason to buy from a carrier like Verizon unless they have a really fantastic promotion happening.
It is cheaper because you are the product. Maybe find something used.
I've used all sorts of other ROM builds, lately I had been into LineageOS. Then I ran a stock Zenfone a while because I got sick of the never-ending treadmill of bootloader unlock>ROM>root>magisk etc etc
After 9 months with a stock phone I got a (used) Pixel and put GrapheneOS on it. From first boot it took all of 10 minutes to unlock the bootloader and install GrapheneOS. The longest part was the download. Bootloader re-locked. Easy peasy.
I'm a convert. I don't prefer the Pixel hardware, tho it's okay, but the ability to easily put my own OS on (and still use my banking apps) is pretty tits. I could revert to stock in 5 minutes.
first world countries have carrier locking illegal, and carriers sell the same configuration phones as regular shops.
Welcome to capitalism...
For a long time VZW used separate tech. That required a different antenna/software. Hence special phones.
And still has some frequency bands not offered on international phones. But it is mostly about control.
You don't even need to get a phone from ISP or some telecom, on Xiaomi you need to install sussy app on PC and wait for a week, for unlocking bootloader.
Unless you are Chinese user, which means you are double fucked.
To unlock your phone, you need to:
But hey, if you bought the phone outside of China (or simply not Chinese version), then you don't have to do any of those except wait for 68 hours. Fuck the Chinese users eh (Chinese version also has a lot more bloatwares, the apps that you download from xiaomi app store also more invasive (more permission) than google play versions).
What the fuck that's like a whole NPC quest line.
I think it's 72h after linking your phone to your Xiaomi account, don't need their pc app abd tools work fine.
It's still one of the brands that are most open for custom roms since you'll retain your warranty unless you manage to do physical damage to the phone in the process.
I don't know what Verizons deal is with it honestly, but T-Mobile hasn't gotten in the way of it, they've even carrier unlocked phones for me that were still on a fresh payment plan for it.
Always best to buy directly from the OEM
Not everyone can afford that you know, and I find those budget/mid range phones insufferable. I'd buy one as a matter of last resort only.
I have a "budget" device from 2019. It runs Lineage OS and works fine.
Also you are the product
Or buy a leading edge phone from 2-4 years ago, which is what I do. I can afford to keep hot spares around at those prices.
I am more than aware that not everyone can afford buying high priced phones right out. I should have clarified that in my post
I think what you did was OK. Meme doesn’t necessarily have to apply to everyone. In this case, you can say it was restricted to those who should have full control of their device with every expectation and for every reason, and it would still be valid and makes sense. But that’s just my opinion.
When have you last used a mid range phone? It used to make a huge difference, but over the years, as phones matured, I feel it's shrunken down more and more. I used to always use flagships, but these days, I don't see what value they provide over 400-600€ phones in daily usage.
400-600€ phones
That's like the price of the most expensive phone I ever owned, my old OnePlus 8T. I find budget phones insufferable these days, but midrange is generally fine provided you know what you're looking for.
The best thing is actually to buy a used phone that was really good a couple years ago. I bought a used Oneplus 9 for $200 last year and it's still perfectly usable and way more powerful than I've ever needed a phone to be. Also older phones are more likely to be supported by third party android distributions.
Carriers still sell phones?
If you want to be on Verizon, check out Visible. Same network, but way cheaper. Bring your own device or use one of their cheap options.
While this is true, be aware there are drawbacks to 3rd party budget carriers.
The service includes caveats that your traffic lower priority then VZWs so if your on a busy node you may get throttled or temporarily kicked off
I've been using a VMNO for 4 years now, never had an issue.
I used to be Verizon only because of travel for work, and I need it to "just work". I've found NVMO to be no different now.
It's possible in a specific area this could be the case though. Not all areas have the same coverage.
I was also on Verizon forever since I could always smugly claim more bars than my poor friends
now that I'm kicked off my family plan and I actually have to pay for it and daycare and a mortgage I switched to mint and it works better than my wife's Verizon
The $25/mo plan is unlimited GB but subject to throttling because it is not premium data.
The $45/mo plan is 50 GB of premium data before you're subject to possible throttling on the rest unlimited GB.
I hear that throttling is rare except large events, so I'm willing to risk it, I only use about 5 GB mobile data per month anyways.
Truly so frustrating