wtf ever happened to vine?
edit TIL tldr: bought by twitter and killed. founders tried to build a new one in 2020 and died in 2023.
this post was submitted on 18 Jan 2025
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The founders died in 2023 ?
There’s a fediverse alternative made by same people who have made pixelfed called Loops Link
Loops is even less federated that Blue Sky, meaning not at all. (It's on the roadmap, though.)
Given the track record of blue sky and pixelfed, I would out my money on pixelfed.
Loops has some work if it ever wants to really blow up. I crashed constantly while using it the other day, and it's feature set needs work. It has potential though.
Have you used loops? I tried to sign up and its been ~6 hours without a verification email. Its great they have a testflight app on iOS but I've been looking for an android apk with no luck. I really want a federated tik tok to blow up but I'm finding it hard to even get set up.
I used it and it's very disappointing, the content feels like that old website that showed you YouTube videos with 0 views.
Yeah, it's an impressive tech showcase for such a small Dev team... But it's pretty lackluster as a tiktok replacement.
That verify email will come, but don't expect a mountain of quality content once it does
It'll probably be another day or two before you get the email. It'll have a link to an APK to download.
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Tho Cuban is asking specifically for ATProto. Guess loops could pivot lol
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Video will not work for AT whatsoever. Text and images, fine, but I'm pretty sure leveraging edge delivery of video is just not going to work out well for users. I think they'll need a centralized host for that portion, or some fancy ways to offload bandwidth otherwise to prevent constant hammering of popular videos.
Could implement torrents, which I believe is how Peertube handles it.
You apparently do not internet. Anything with a wait time is not an app platform people will use.
more than half of visitors leave a page if they’re forced to wait longer than 3 seconds
and it’s not outlandish to suggest that length decreases every year.
109ms response time was the goal circa 2009. Now, with the advent of Kubernetes, response time as are in seconds. Proxies on top of proxies cost request time. Users will abandon.
some fancy ways to offload bandwidth otherwise to prevent constant hammering of popular videos
it's called a CDN
CDN won't scale to millions of users all uploading videos on a decentralized system. Article is specifically talking about AT Protocol which doesn't account for video. Making a global CDN distribution of videos from decentralized sources is whole other ball of wax.
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So why does it for for AP with Loops? What’s the fundamental difference between, isn’t the Fediverse the more decentralised system?
Because Activity Pub is not a data salad. A video lives in a specific place.
I don’t think it has been proven that Loops is viable at scale yet.
Can you reform this question?
Loops uses ActivityPub and feeds video in a TikTok like manner.
What's the difference that makes it not achievable for AT but okay for AP?
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PeerTube uses WebTorrent technology. Each server hosts a torrent tracker and each web browser viewing a video also shares it. This allows to share the load between the server itself and the clients as well as the bandwidth used through P2P technology.
Yes, and it's incredibly slow and wouldn't scale to millions of users. If one user is high bandwidth, and another low, you'd have uneven distribution of traffic for a newly connecting user, meaning the entirety of whatever you're about to watch won't be completed in time for a good user interaction flow. The issue isn't whether it's technically possible or not, but if it's functional enough for similar traffic as TikTok.
The other issue with torrenting is that a lot of users may incur data charges if the service were to be constantly seeding other users on limited data plans or with data or speed caps in general. It's just not the right tool for the job.
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These people are poorly informed, Loops already exists
“Exists” yea but not really usable, it’s more raw than Pixelfed
His "job" is to go on stage places and be overconfident. Being informed is not part of that job.
No. Fuck you Mark. Corpocrats don’t get it. The community likes this momentum. We like meeting Chinese people. We like the fediverse. Stop trying to charge us for the use of the public square
I swear, we're just witnessing the next power-grab by people richer than us.
Anyone who isn't advocating for Mastodon, the federated option, is either a fool or being fooled.
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why are they so hellbound on avoiding the fediverse
No money in fediverse
There is, just not a lot and not for a giant central company that controls it.
You can have a private instance, you can have premium accounts on instances, companies can have their own instance.
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Ffs, money really is evil, and more monies are more evil.
Just imagine using your money not in exchange for getting even more money ...
Anything that feeds on itself is bound to be sinister.
Just promote and support loops, ya bastard.
Stupid. There are already alternatives. Nobody wants them.
No matter how good you make it, now that tiktok was taken from people any app will just be the tiktok replacement being forced on us instead of a worthwhile social media unto itself.
It's not like twitter which sold its own soul and was subsequently run into the ground. I think any attempt to replace tiktok will just piss people off, especially if they're clearly American corporate enterprises.
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His heart is in the right place but money has twisted his mind so much his heart had to go along with it to survive