Progressive Politics

Apologies to whoever originally posted this I downloaded it earlier today

It is a fun activity to think of legal standards here. Of course we don't know what he was thinking for sure, and we never will, just like everyone else in the world every day of our lives. But we can and do judge people by their actions... In other words, where do people want to put this Nazi salute? What is their certainty about his action? Below are the legal standards.

• Reasonable suspicion
• Probable cause
• Preponderance of evidence (more likely than not)
• Clear and convincing
• Proof beyond a reasonable doubt

Where would you rank the Nazi salute conclusion? I think proof beyond reasonable doubt, and perhaps we could reasonably debate claims that it's a level or two weaker than that. But the deniers, they want to say there's not even reasonable suspicion, and that is a sad joke.

Yeah, I think I wholeheartedly agree with the Die Zeit journalist. If a right-wing person does a Hitler salute in front of a right wing audience... It's probably a Hitler salute... Context matters and it's not like Musk usually shares left-wing perspective on his platform. We know for a fact whom and what he sympathizes with...

The thing that my stomach drop is the crowd cheered. Not a shocked intake of breath or booing. They cheered. He did a sieg heil and they cheered it. If you cheer a Nazi doing Nazi things, you're also a Nazi. The US has a Nazi infestation. Even if they get another remotely fair election to correct this, it won't be accepted, again, and insurrection2 will have been prepared for, for 5 years. I feel that sieg heil of the richest person on earth marked the end of American democracy.

I spent the larger part of the day trying to convince my sister. I don’t think it worked and now I’m just depressed about it.

Because the Nazis own them

Because US corporate media is owned by fellow fascists.

Next?

Because he's rich. And a celebrity. Americans love them their rich celebrities.

The corporate press is now just a pro-kleptocracy propaganda outlet. Representing the views of an oligarchy isn't exactly "mainstream" so we should stop calling it that.

Because they’re cowards and have been for quite some time.

I've seen people here on Lemmy, people I don't think are just trolling, that are finding convoluted reasons to excuse it as not a Nazi salute. And I am so fucking tired of it. Listen to virtually everything he has ever said on the subject of race and gender and sexual orientation and other such things. Maybe if he didn't have a really long history of being a racist, maybe if he didn't support the Germany's modern Nazi party, maybe if he isn't trying to get an unapologetic Nazi out of prison in the UK, I would consider that he accidentally did a Nazi salute (twice). But that's not the reality.

"Oh sure, he's a bigot that loves Nazis, but that wasn't a Nazi salute" is some real fucking bullshit.

Fear of retaliation

I'm pretty sure that was the point

because a huge part of fascism is the merging of corporations with the government.

the corporate media is covering for nazis for the same reason the leader enshittificator Alphabet, the otherwise twitter's direct competitor Evil Corp, and of course the slavery warehouse Amazon were all represented with their figureheads Sunil Bakshi, the T-600, and Lex Luthor alongside that Troglodyte Phony Stark. they're merging.

Lemmy should maintain a list of competent and incompetent news sources. In lots of places.

They worked very hard to get the Nazis elected. That's why.

They're all hoping to become maga state run media.

Also, they have no problem with Nazis.

This isn't complicated. Hardly worth the time it took to post. 🙄

$$$

because they're complicit

Because they are also Nazis, they're just not ready to go mask-off yet.

"Corporate Media"

Where's the confusion?

Because they are saluting right back at him.

For the same reason you never see Bruce Wayne with Batman

Because the same people who are asked to describe who did it are the same people who are paying the people to describe it.

Because everyone wants to hope it won't happen to Us. They think/hope that by not acknowledging, it won't exist. A la COVID. Nothing like sticking your head into the sand... 😮‍💨

I think that you are being distracted.

Hey Elon, do something outrageous so these idiots are looking at you while I'm over here doing this other scary stuff.