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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 hour ago

A MAGA I know told me this is all worth it because he doesn't want his son to know gay people exist and wants revenge on the people who told him he can't say "Merry Christmas" anymore...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

they want to be openly fascist

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They will 100% sacrifice their own happiness and rights if they know it’s hurting people who live their lives is ways they don’t like.

This isn’t an exaggeration.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They literally want bloodshed and the world to burn

This is conservative vengeance

And everyone is going to suffer from it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I realized this during the 2016 election. People always say they are voting against their own interests, but their only real interest is to spite someone else. Hurting other people is a win, for them.

[–] IronKrill 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Check r/conservative and you get a fair idea.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I do. There is no information there i couldn't find written on a bathroom wall.

[–] IronKrill 2 points 59 minutes ago

That makes sense, it's probably the same people writing both messages.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It hurts people they think are lesser, such as LGBTQ and people of color. Racism and bigotry are very much alive in the USA. They would eat a shit sandwich if they thought a lib would smell their breath. Hate is all they know.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

They think all of the gov'ment was corrupt and bad, so they're cheering for the destruction of all gov'ment.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I normally do not talk politics with people I know, but this one person said they like trump because: “all I know is when he was president, I did good financially”.

I tried to tell him that the government is slow to enact things so he did good because the previous president. He didnt want to hear that and dismissed it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

If that's all he knows he doesn't know very much.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago

My cousin said the exact same thing.

They don't know shit, but they still vote with such confidence. It's maddening.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 hours ago

Like most MAGA.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago

"We made people we don't like fucking miserable for a bit"

Ultimately the kind of person that goes all in on a cult like MAGA could lose everything to shitty policy or because their great leader started a war or smth -- But they'll still reason it was worth it because all those s were put in their place.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 12 hours ago

Crabs in a bucket. They don't care if things get worse for them as long as they inflict the same suffering on everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Many years ago, I was at a friend's house and his parents were watching Bush on Faux News. Friend said, "We're loyal Republicans. We'd rather have an idiot in office than a Democrat."

Edit: Before the inauguration, I got back in touch with another Friend who went to a few protests but converted to maga because he started listening to the JRE podcast and whatever the algorithm also recommended. We know the type of influence that jre guy has on vulnerable minds. The podcast host literally twisted his mind 180 degrees.

Edit 2: I'm not sure that I consider them friends anymore as they would rather have their guy in office and not care that people like me get screwed over.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 14 hours ago

MAGA doesn't know.

They're fearful, hateful, instinctive idiots who are more afraid of being proven wrong than anything. The definition of ride or die.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

if you ask a hundred of them..

you will get a hundred different answers.

they voted because it made them feel good and addressed their anger. not for any rational reasons. it's why they are so surprised at what is going on.

they had NO IDEA what they were voting for or why they were voting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Are they surprised about what's happening? I don't actually think they realize or care at all as long as it's their boy doing it

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago

They're too deep to take it back now they gotta go full nazi and act like everyone else is the problem

[–] [email protected] 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Hurting their perceived enemies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

This really is the only right answer.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 15 hours ago

Some believe that we are reclaiming American greayness. That the tariffs are just china writing a big check to the usa. That majes feel like we are finally fighting back.

You have other that just feel good that dei, woke, sjw, litard, liberal, etc etc policy are goibg away. So society cab finally put good compient people in jobs and not be held vack by forced racial quotas.

You have other that love tge nazi salute stuff and really feel lije the government is finally working for them.

You have many who just feel good its not a democrat in office

[–] [email protected] 58 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

The way it is playing out in my family has led me to have to totally reevaluate my perception of my own father.

He is a generally kind man. He stayed with my mom for two decades as she declined with Parkinson’s. He took good care of her when so many people might have ghosted.

But based on his inability to see the danger here to things he himself values, I can no longer think of him as a good man. He has always valued knowledge and reason yet he swallowed the cat-eating crap out of Ohio in spite of the clear bullshit of it.

He is Mormon and very faithful. So I don’t know what he gets out of this all, except that it has required me to grieve him before his passing.

He is not actually a good person I am afraid, but he is very obedient. Learning that distinction is very painful. He does not possess the moral clarity to know the difference between what is legal/popular and what is right.

I always idolized my dad as a child because he was in so many ways a good father. We will probably never speak again.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

“ He is not actually a good person I am afraid, but he is very obedient.”

Sadly this is the legacy of the LDS faith.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget the cliqueiness. I've been the victim of the mormon cliques more than once.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

The first LDS family I knew were all rabid aggressive assholes. It's funny that in hindsight these might be the most real and honest LDS followers I have met.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You guys should watch Heretic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Which one? I see three in the last 12 years. I'm guessing it's the 2024 one?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Yeah that's the new one. Hugh Grant's best performance.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 15 hours ago

I shared with my mother, only yesterday, that I consider her somewhat of a bad person for voting for orange for a second term. I said that she could be forgiven for not perceiving what he is the first time (though it was obvious to anyone with limited understanding of the world), but after seeing him in action and voting for him again, she should be ashamed of herself. I don't expect the relationship to ever fully recover, as I will not forgive her for endangering my loved ones and all of us collectively.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry for your loss.

Religion sucks so much, especially the more dogmatic ones. Mormonism is gross.

One insight I would offer is that categorising people as "good" or "not good" may not be helpful. I suspect that your dad probably invests a lot of effort in being a good man, he's just unable to acknowledge that his perspective has been corrupted.

We judge ourselves by our intentions but others by their actions.

It's not wrong to never speak to him again, but maybe this will make the mourning easier.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I've talked to friends that were very excited Trump won. Recently tried having an open conversation with someone that left my community afterwards over the conversations because I didn't come to his side.

They just believe it'll be better. What better? They don't know. They can't verbalize, because they're told it's terrible now and will be better.

They believe Trump isn't a criminal, didn't incite violence on Jan 6, the woke people are out to get them, etc. I've literally asked people to define "woke" for me when they use it that way. They can't. They don't know. They're not bad people, they're brainwashed at this point.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago

I agree. I’ve heard people say that they willingly voted for a criminal rapist huckster and I don’t believe that. They thought he was something different. They are fucking dumb, not evil.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago

They get to be part of a cult of hate?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (7 children)

Pretty sure the common denominator is “owning the libs.”

It’s not just liberals that are voting against their opposition more than they are voting for the political candidates they vote for; the other side is largely doing the same. That’s why American democracy is failing: we’re so disillusioned with our own parties that we’ve been reduced to voting for them just to keep the opposition from power. Hence, no matter how we vote, we’re dissatisfied, but we tell ourselves pretty stories to make it all right. The only real winners are corporations, which have all of these clowns in their pockets.

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