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I have seen a lot of tesla vandalism online the last few days and I'm kind of on the fence about it.

I've seen several examples locally here in BC, Canada.

I think totally warranted at newly purchased teslas going forward. Also it serves as a deterrent for potential future buyers.

But vandalizing a car that is a few years old I think is lame. Those driversare already being punished enough by driving something around that's worth less than scrap.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 8 hours ago (10 children)

My hot take? No, it's not

You'll never change a mind with cruelty. You are merely selfishly expressing your anger

Best case scenario, this person now feels bad about buying a Tesla, but is now stuck with the car. They will likely have to waste resources fixing it and it may happen again. Sure, you could assume they're rich and can afford to fix it but that wastes literal resources extracted from our planet to fix or replace the car. And if someone buys the used version they'll have the same problem and may not be quite as rich the next time someone vandalizes the car.

More likely scenario, you piss the owner off and they dig in deeper. That's just how humans work

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago

I am really glad this is the top response. I came in here expecting a very different top comment. Something of encouragement and some bs rationalization about why it's ok.

If it's not your stuff and you don't have permission to touch it there are very few reasons why you should ever touch anything that isn't yours.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Alternatively, you can view vandalization as, essentially, a sin tax. If the person is willing to pay the cost to keep their current setup whatever... but vandalization will provide an economic motive for the victim and others around them to revise their behavior.

Hey, let's just... let the market decide.

I do agree that you're unlikely to make the vandal change their beliefs, but given enough vandalization you'll end up stealing Musk's money.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 hours ago

If the person is willing to pay the cost to keep their current setup whatever… but vandalization will provide an economic motive for the victim and others around them to revise their behavior.

Unless you're completely destroying the car beyond repair (thats serious felony material), your vandalism is actually acting to enrich Elon Musk. Where do you think replacement parts for a vandalized Tesla will come from? The victim will be forced to buy those parts from Musk even if they hate him.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Caveat: other than the original Roadster, I've never considered Teslas good cars. The Cybertruck might be the dumbest vehicle made in the last 40 years. SO, on to MY hot take.

I've spent years and years restoring a 1973 Porsche 914 from a bucket to a beautiful driving machine. Blood, sweat, tears, and money. Hard earned money and my own blood, my own sweat, and my own tears.

It's unbelievably pretty now. It looks expensive. It drives like a bat out of hell on rails. It's everything I strived for.

If someone vandalized it, it would be pike gouging at my heart. Writing words in any dust in it would scratch the paint.

With that out of the way, I'd still laugh if I saw a vandalized Swasticar.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

You'll never change a mind with cruelty.

You'll never change the mind of the one you are being cruel to. But you might change the minds of some observers.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, just like how it is moral to pirate Adobe products

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Dorkmobile? I thought it was called the wankpanzer, but maybe that's just in my country. Is it even legal in Europe? That thing doesn't look like it passed any crash safety tests AT ALL.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

I'd argue how much smearing the dust on a car counts as vandalism. Sure it's something my mom would be mad at me for doing but she's mad at me in general.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

No but I didn't see who did it

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 hours ago (12 children)

That's not vandalism, it's just dust someone wiped off. Come on.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 hours ago (11 children)

Yes. No chill for Nazis, no chill for Nazi clown cars.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It would be highly immoral to do any actual vandalism because that would give them sympathy and therefore would further the goals of Elon and others who want their bootlickers to be seen as some sort of rebels against wokeness.

But mocking them by writing dust or adding your own bumper stickers without doing any serious permanent damage is at least defensible.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 hours ago (12 children)

I own a Tesla. I bought it in 2018. I fucking hate Elon Musk but I do not feel like I need to get rid of my car. Me selling would not hurt Elon. It just hurts me because I rely on that car for my wife to get to work.

It's paid off and it works just fine. Why should I have to sell my car for a huge loss and get something new just because you want to make a political statement.

My wife is a life long democrat. I have never had a party affiliation. I do not understand how damaging my car is supposed to help your cause.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Eh, people like me are going to judge you unless you have a bumper sticker. We call all Tesla's "swasticars" in my family. The CEO did two Nazi salutes, and yes... Selling does harm the company.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

In my mind, I put "driving a Tesla" as different than "driving a cybertruck." Two different demographics. I wouldn't laugh at the car, but I would definitely laugh at the truck.

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[–] stardust 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I do not understand how damaging my car is supposed to help your cause.

The fear you have for your car purchase is the point.

It's not about changing ideologies or convincing people to change their politics or protecting owners who feel they are on the right side and should be spared.

It's about having future buyers have to weigh whether the risk of vandalism, negative affiliations assumed of them, and insurance increases is worth buying the brand.

Unfortunate, but actions that result in indiscriminate collateral damage is what tends to actually have the intended impact. Which in this case seems to be to taint the Tesla brand as a risky one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There are people who have literal swastica t shirts. The proud boys and oath keepers and 3%ers are not hard to find. Go punch a Nazi and leave my car alone. Find a pickup with a Trump number sticker and gift them a brick through their side window and some ventilation in two tires. Let's leave the single mom who got a great deal on a used car alone.

I understand your point I just hate that people seem to think vandalism is going to make the world better in any way.

[–] stardust 1 points 3 hours ago

I don't plan to vandalize private property. Pointing out what is the intended effect.

And regardless of political ideology what is happening to Tesla or any other brand receiving the same vitrol deters me from plans to buy them. Basically it's radioactive to "we don't like to talk about politics" crowd. Which is the average buyer.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Writing something in dirt is one thing but spray painting, scraping, or damaging something is a dick move.

Yes, they bought a stupid vehicle from a company run by a controversial person, but that doesn't mean you can be a terrible person and damage their property as if they have anything to do with Elon.

You want to go after Elon by proxy? Vote, write your government officials, protest, and continue to not by his products.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I'd argue that giving money to a Nazi is the actual dick move. people reminding you that you're driving a swasticar is actually doing you a solid

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

It's really about (a) sending a message that we don't support Musk or other fascists and (b) discouraging other people from buying them.

It's true that some people might have Teslas without having monetarily support Tesla somehow, but not very many, and if they got their Tesla for free then they aren't really losing anything.

To that end, vandalizing Cybertrucks would send the clearest message, they're the most obviously Musk thing. If enough Cybertrucks are vandalized, the media will report on it, and people will get the point. It would hurt Tesla's sales, Tesla's stock, and Musk's image.

This is just theoretical mind you. I'm not advising you to vandalize anything, since that would be illegal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

No, that's just rationalizing fucking with somebody's stuff. Your personal anger is not a moral principle.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 hours ago (24 children)

Is drawing in the dust vandalism?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Dude, it's a cybertruck. That drawing in the dust probably caused the brakes to fail or the headlights to short out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's load-bearing dust.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago

Honestly the cyber truck vandalizes itself, why even risk the legal consequences.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

That's writing with a finger in dirt. It's not vandalism.

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