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[–] phx 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Seriously can we just have a car without all the self-driving bullshit though. Make an electric car that's affordable and Canadian-made FIRST, then work on the autonomous shit

[–] Mongostein 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just want a car that goes with buttons and knobs for everything. No cameras, no touch screens, just Bluetooth pair and/or aux port for the radio.

[–] phx 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Buttons and knobs for sure, though I'd prefer to have a backup camera and I do appreciate the one for right-hand turns on the mirror of my car.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Backup cameras are mandatory on new cars.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm not actually sure how much the hardware for self-driving costs. The billions being poured in are for the software development, and once software is made it can be copied for free, like the Chinese did with LLMs recently.

That being said, this was a concept car. They might leave that and the gimmicky smartfabric out in a production version. And have doors that both open the same way, so people can all exit at once in a crowded parking lot.

[–] phx 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lidar, all the cameras/sensors, and the processing unit for all this definitely cost money.

My car it cost $300 to replace a windshield. My wife's it cost over $1000 due to the optics/sensor unit behind the windshield

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I should really say "by car standards". Of course a GPU isn't free, but when a low-end new EV costs 30,000-50,000CAD the extra couple grand isn't too crazy. If you don't want it, I guess it's still a couple grand, though.

Again, though, I could see the licensing costing an order of magnitude more, although I don't really know.

it cost over $1000 due to the optics/sensor unit behind the windshield

That actually just seems like robbery, haha. We're talking about the kind that detects fouling, which probably is a glorified mouse tracker, right?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Perhaps someone in Britain or Canada should resurrect the Avro marque and use it for electric cars or similar?

[–] BedSharkPal 13 points 1 week ago

I'm so fucking here for this.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm not sure about the maple flooring, though. I'd buy it, sounds easy to clean, but when every vehicle is carpeted it looks unfinished or something. It also better be treated for waterproofing.

You have to think that anything which buys auto parts from this side of the border and sells to consumers will be suddenly very profitable, coming up.

[–] alsimoneau 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can we please get a car that's not a giant SUV?

I dread the day I'll have to replace my golf.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, I don't love that part either. Technically, it's a crossover, but it's big and boxy either way. Unfortunately, everyone north of Mexico has been successfully brainwashed to worry about the hypothetical day they need to bring a mattress home (and there's no delivery offered for some reason).

[–] alsimoneau 3 points 1 week ago

And then again, a hatchback or a station wagon has a lot more space than an SUV.

[–] SRGray 4 points 1 week ago

This sounds cool, but it doesn't look like it's intended to ever go to market.

Maybe there will be a pivot with the current political situation state-side, but that doesn't seem to be the purpose of this project.

Still, a project worth rooting for! I just signed up to receive updates straight from their website: https://projectarrow.ca/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unfortunate name.... Not sure if chosen on purpose

RIP avro arrow

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Definitely deliberate. It flies again!

[–] Someone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you scroll down their page there's a photo of the car with RCAF roundels parked under the nose of an Avro.

Edit: just realized I clicked a link from a different comment not the original post.